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old abe
01-22-2017, 07:51 PM
Well the warm spell is even causing problems in Ont. Canada. Early this AM showing rain as far up as Hearst. Unheard of really!!! They will at least close down the trails so as to not be destroyed. Unreal weather anymore these days.

dfattack
01-22-2017, 08:02 PM
I'm typing this just north of Toronto and the weather is just like Chicago. warm and rainy/foggy. No snow. trail systems in this area are only an hour or so north of here and I hear from the locals exactly what you are saying. Conditions have changed VERY fast...for the worse.

Last week i was at my place in Florence, WI and we had two awesome days riding and so glad we decided to ride when we did. Day one was with Whitedust, Venture North and my son up to L'Anse and day two I rode with my son to Gwinn/Marquette/back home. We really timed it perfect. was planning on riding here (Ontario) but now have to wait.

old abe
01-22-2017, 09:05 PM
I'm typing this just north of Toronto and the weather is just like Chicago. warm and rainy/foggy. No snow. trail systems in this area are only an hour or so north of here and I hear from the locals exactly what you are saying. Conditions have changed VERY fast...for the worse.

Last week i was at my place in Florence, WI and we had two awesome days riding and so glad we decided to ride when we did. Day one was with Whitedust, Venture North and my son up to L'Anse and day two I rode with my son to Gwinn/Marquette/back home. We really timed it perfect. was planning on riding here (Ontario) but now have to wait.

We have a NE Ontario trip in the works for later in Feb. We have season trail passes, so the timing can vary. This weather/snow is really getting to be a PITA!!!! Crazy. We spent the last week in the UP, at least we got that timing right. Had a great trip. Good luck to you, ride when you can, and be safe!!!

Hoosier
01-29-2017, 03:22 PM
We have a NE Ontario trip in the works for later in Feb. We have season trail passes, so the timing can vary. This weather/snow is really getting to be a PITA!!!! Crazy. We spent the last week in the UP, at least we got that timing right. Had a great trip. Good luck to you, ride when you can, and be safe!!!

We rode up there a couple weeks ago, right before the thaw. Had a great time although not everything was groomed. Looking at the maps today, not everything is green but there are a lot of trails open. Where are you riding out of and where are you heading?

old abe
01-31-2017, 08:06 AM
We will start where ever we can. Usually right out of the Soo. Plan on heading East and North, or vise versa. North Bay, the Canyon, Cap., Timmins, Chap., HH(Jeep Lake), and back to the Soo. Wawa is a possibility also. No certain way or in any order. We would like to do the Marathon to Thunder Bay, and North of Superior Loop, but that is no longer do able as trails don't permit. We have full season permits so as very flexible. No certain timing, just what ever works best. Things up there are very different than 10 years ago. As in lodging, fuel, and food. We can travel 225 miles at least on fuel. And that number is some what conservative, but safe.

Hoosier
01-31-2017, 10:44 AM
We will start where ever we can. Usually right out of the Soo. Plan on heading East and North, or vise versa. North Bay, the Canyon, Cap., Timmins, Chap., HH(Jeep Lake), and back to the Soo. Wawa is a possibility also. No certain way or in any order. We would like to do the Marathon to Thunder Bay, and North of Superior Loop, but that is no longer do able as trails don't permit. We have full season permits so as very flexible. No certain timing, just what ever works best. Things up there are very different than 10 years ago. As in lodging, fuel, and food. We can travel 225 miles at least on fuel. And that number is some what conservative, but safe.

I've ridden a decent amount of that over the past few years, but not all of it. If you have questions about what is currently open and not, let me know. Some of what you are talking about isn't open but there are plans to re-open it over the next year or so. I was going to tell you it's hard to get from the Soo to HH on a tank of gas, but if you can go 225 miles, you are more than fine. I love riding up there.

old abe
01-31-2017, 02:13 PM
I hear ya Hoosier. Ya, we're just kind bidding our time here for next few weeks, and let some more trails open up. I really want to do that north of Superior thing, but that's just not to be. Real shame as some of it is really rugged country, but I think it's some of the most beautiful scenery in Ontario anywhere, also Abitibi Canyon. Thanks again, and lets keep in touch. I have not seen any post from Polaris1 rider this year. He usually hangs out in the Wawa area.

Hoosier
01-31-2017, 05:20 PM
I hear ya Hoosier. Ya, we're just kind bidding our time here for next few weeks, and let some more trails open up. I really want to do that north of Superior thing, but that's just not to be. Real shame as some of it is really rugged country, but I think it's some of the most beautiful scenery in Ontario anywhere, also Abitibi Canyon. Thanks again, and lets keep in touch. I have not seen any post from Polaris1 rider this year. He usually hangs out in the Wawa area.

Someone we were talking to up there said they're looking at opening Marathon to Thunder Bay again. Is that the area you are talking about? We haven't ridden up to the Canyon yet either.

Seems like there's a lot of optimism up there about getting more of the trails open again. I hope it continues. I love riding the UP too, but it's just something else to ride the wilderness, never see a RR grade, etc.

old abe
01-31-2017, 08:13 PM
Someone we were talking to up there said they're looking at opening Marathon to Thunder Bay again. Is that the area you are talking about? We haven't ridden up to the Canyon yet either.

Seems like there's a lot of optimism up there about getting more of the trails open again. I hope it continues. I love riding the UP too, but it's just something else to ride the wilderness, never see a RR grade, etc.

Yep. Marathon to Thunder Bay is really rugged country. They have to winch the groomers up many of the grades, but it is the most beautiful country you will see. Wilderness for sure! We have not seen Abitbi yet, but we are going to on this trip. Many good loops/tours in that area. Did you get my PM on that switchback? It's a 2016, never rode, but a 137, new Poo 8oo. Ontario is great riding, and less expensive than Quebec. Perhaps will ride with you up there someday? Keep in touch.

Hoosier
02-01-2017, 02:39 PM
Yeah I got it. Thanks. That's outside my $ range with the 800.

justride
02-06-2017, 10:16 PM
Are there any cabins around Wawa for rent that would accommodate 6 to 7 male adults? I'm trying to talk my group into a trip to this area the week of Easter. Any help would be appreciated.

frnash
02-07-2017, 02:05 AM
Are there any cabins around Wawa for rent that would accommodate 6 to 7 male adults? …Step one: Fun with computers, check Google Maps for "Accomodations in Wawa, ON" (Not necessarily just cabins).

Results (click each image for larger):

55998
Overview

55996
North of Wawa Airport
(Oops, omitted Northern Lights Motel & Chalets which is listed as "seasonal")

55997
South of Wawa Airport

Step two: Repeat the above exercise yourself; links to each are provided by Google Maps.

Step three: Is anyone familiar with any of these, or any other alternatives?

old abe
02-07-2017, 08:24 AM
Hey some very good info frnash!!!

vmax1994
02-07-2017, 03:25 PM
Looking for lodging recommendations myself in Wawa. I found them (without frnash's help ;) ) but want to know if there is any other input. Leaning towards Wawa Motor Inn.

justride
02-07-2017, 06:16 PM
Also favoring wawa motor inn but was hoping to find a place large enough to sleep all 7 of us under one roof and a little less rustic.

old abe
02-08-2017, 08:32 AM
Also favoring wawa motor inn but was hoping to find a place large enough to sleep all 7 of us under one roof and a little less rustic.

I would call them. They can probably take care of you as 7.

Hoosier
02-09-2017, 03:25 PM
Also favoring wawa motor inn but was hoping to find a place large enough to sleep all 7 of us under one roof and a little less rustic.

I wouldn't say Wawa Motor Inn is rustic - I haven't stayed there but the restaurant/bar is very nice - spend quite a few evenings there since there's not much else open in town. They don't serve breakfast but there is a restaurant in town that does (and a Tim Hortons). They have rooms and cabins. Magpie Relay is an option in Dubreville. It's been redone recently, but that's a very small town.

We've always stayed at the Bristol in Wawa but that's an older place.

You could all stay at halfway haven, but that's super rustic and pricey depending on how you look at it.

If you check ontarioconditions.com you might be able to find some cabins for rent.

If you haven't been there before, most of northern Ontario is wilderness. The towns are small. Hearst and Timmons might be the exceptions.

This might help depending on where you're looking:

http://www.intrepidsnowmobiler.com/lodgings/ontario-accommodations/

Everyone's bitching about snow on the main board - they have tons of snow right now in Northern Ontario. The mild temps probably help up there....

frnash
02-09-2017, 08:57 PM
… This might help depending on where you're looking:
http://www.intrepidsnowmobiler.com/lodgings/ontario-accommodations/
…Was this a hidden gem? Did y'all not notice this at the above link?


Wawa (http://www.wawa.cc/tourism/), Algoma Country, OFSC District 13 (https://www.algomacountry.com/sledalgoma/) – Wawa Motor Inn (http://wawamotorinn.ca/). Accessed by road from TOP D,
this lodging has both motel units and chalets with sled parking in front. On-site restaurant &
bar plus ample truck parking, with fuel and convenience store across the street. Best staging
hotel for Top Secret Boondocking (http://topsecretboondocking.com/). [← that last link in particular.]

old abe
02-18-2017, 07:32 AM
We have a Ontario trip coming up, and now another warm up, and rain?????????? This has been a disappointing winter season for sure. Really??? Rain as far north as Hearst, and Kap again. Unreal!!!!!!!

billjd
02-18-2017, 09:28 AM
I said this the end of December and all kinds of people started saying it's not even Christmas. Now I have 3,000 miles on.... but sick of chasing snow and dodging rain. 58 degrees riding yesterday in International Falls MN.....2/17.....now thats funny!

In all fairness where riding 1/1/13...first ones to do the Northern Loop...most of it not open. Rained hard in Hearst . Ended up taking the snow train due to 45 degree weather and pouring rain.

Not sure what to say. Things are changing and hard to deny it.

Guess that's the cross we bare as die hard snowmobilers!

Mother Nature can KMA

old abe
02-18-2017, 03:29 PM
Yep!!! But, now we don't have the "snow train" to escape back south in poor weather conditions. And no North of Superior Loop anymore. 2 big losses in my book!!!

frnash
02-18-2017, 04:08 PM
Yep!!! But, now we don't have the "snow train" to escape back south in poor weather conditions. And no North of Superior Loop anymore. 2 big looses [sic] in my book!!!Yer gonna need some tights to make up fer those "looses"! :devilish:

old abe
02-18-2017, 07:27 PM
Yer gonna need some tights to make up fer those "looses"! :devilish:

Fixed it frnash!!! Good catch!!! Almost messed this up! Wait, I did screw it up!

sweeperguy
02-18-2017, 10:29 PM
:confused-new::eek-new:

old abe
02-21-2017, 08:58 AM
Freezing rain in Hearst, On as I write. What a bummer!!! Although the weather looks good after tomorrow for several weeks.

old abe
03-05-2017, 07:59 AM
I just got back from a 1,200 mile Ontario, Canada trip. Got real lucky with the snowfall on 2-24 on. 2-25, and 2-27 it really came down!!! Almost perfect conditions in the worst areas. There is noting to compare to riding in Canada for myself. None!

dfattack
03-05-2017, 10:15 AM
I just got back from a 1,200 mile Ontario, Canada trip. Got real lucky with the snowfall on 2-24 on. 2-25, and 2-27 it really came down!!! Almost perfect conditions in the worst areas. There is noting to compare to riding in Canada for myself. None!

Glad you had a good time. would love to hear more info...where, routes, towns, etc.

old abe
03-05-2017, 06:29 PM
We were very blessed with the weather after we got up there. Had the storm not produced, it would have been a very bad trip. The warm up was really devastating up there also. Many water holes, but only one that caused a long detoured route. The small ones froze up fast. So we did Sault St Marie, Wawa, Dubrevuilville, Hornepayne, Hearst, Mattice, Kapuskasing, Moonbeam, Cochrane, Abitibi Canyon, Smooth Rock Falls, Iroquois Falls, Timmins, Foleyet, Chapleau, Halfway Heaven. Not what we had planned, but it turned out to be a real good run. Took in many loops/tours along the way. The 900 Ace Renegade has proved to be my ride of choice for Canadian trips. Covered many miles, and always felt fresh, ready for more. In hopes the North of Superior Loop will be back next year. It's absolutely great riding up there.

Hoosier
03-06-2017, 12:12 AM
We were very blessed with the weather after we got up there. Had the storm not produced, it would have been a very bad trip. The warm up was really devastating up there also. Many water holes, but only one that caused a long detoured route. The small ones froze up fast. So we did Sault St Marie, Wawa, Dubrevuilville, Hornepayne, Hearst, Mattice, Kapuskasing, Moonbeam, Cochrane, Abitibi Canyon, Smooth Rock Falls, Iroquois Falls, Timmins, Foleyet, Chapleau, Halfway Heaven. Not what we had planned, but it turned out to be a real good run. Took in many loops/tours along the way. The 900 Ace Renegade has proved to be my ride of choice for Canadian trips. Covered many miles, and always felt fresh, ready for more. In hopes the North of Superior Loop will be back next year. It's absolutely great riding up there.

Good to hear. How many days did that take? I'm dying to get back up there but it's not going to happen this year. Too many other obligations. But there's always next year. We sort of did that big loop you described last March but without the Caynon loop. Wished we had more time to hit the off loops along the way.

I'm with you - there's nothing like riding up there. That 900 probably helped take down the gas costs quite a bit too. Did it have enough acceleration and top end for you up there? I was surprised that I liked the one I rode as much as I did. Of course I liked the Cat 600 I rode a lot too, and there are good prices on those.

I've been keeping an eye on thegroomerguy's and halfway haven's facebook pages - seems like there have been a lot of sleds up there, which is great. There's always so much negativity about the future of the sport but it's nice to see some areas see a big uptick.

old abe
03-06-2017, 08:03 AM
[QUOTE=Hoosier;445405]Good to hear. How many days did that take? I'm dying to get back up there but it's not going to happen this year. Too many other obligations. But there's always next year. We sort of did that big loop you described last March but without the Caynon loop. Wished we had more time to hit the off loops along the way.

I'm with you - there's nothing like riding up there. That 900 probably helped take down the gas costs quite a bit too. Did it have enough acceleration and top end for you up there? I was surprised that I liked the one I rode as much as I did. Of course I liked the Cat 600 I rode a lot too, and there are good prices on those.

Hoosier we actually rode 7 days. I wish we could have rode a couple more days, but hockey tournaments, and fishing derbies made the lodging somewhat difficult. It snowed so hard the day we did the canyon, we did not get see, or get any pics that we wanted. As for the 900 Ace, it was bought for my wife, but it got me hooked. No need to worry about the type fuel, 20 plus mpg, and most of all it's so quiet. I hate the helmet noise of my other sleds any more, and they are not loud at all (all stock exhaust). It is a little short on the top side, but the rest of its performance by far out weighs that loss. 85/90 top. Cruised at 70/75 all day, or wide open for miles. It's a perfect ride for me. Pulls hard out of the corners, and you never get tired of riding it. It will never wear you out. I find that the new 1200's with the electronic throttle are much better than the older ones without TBW. The Doo 4/strokes sleds are by far better balanced and handling rides than the Yama/Cats are. Sleds should not need power steering!!! 1200 is very much faster than the Viper. My 900 will run with the Viper. Followed a S/W for a couple of days, no problem. He would lose me fast on the open runs, but I could push him hard in the twistie/curved trails. When he would stop, he was wore out. Ride before you buy always!!! And 4/strokes are a different ride than a 2/stroke. How ever the Ace 900 is very, very close. I'm ready to go back!!!!!!!!!! I've got big plans for next year!!!!!!!

Hoosier
03-06-2017, 11:31 AM
[QUOTE=Hoosier;445405]Good to hear. How many days did that take? I'm dying to get back up there but it's not going to happen this year. Too many other obligations. But there's always next year. We sort of did that big loop you described last March but without the Caynon loop. Wished we had more time to hit the off loops along the way.

I'm with you - there's nothing like riding up there. That 900 probably helped take down the gas costs quite a bit too. Did it have enough acceleration and top end for you up there? I was surprised that I liked the one I rode as much as I did. Of course I liked the Cat 600 I rode a lot too, and there are good prices on those.

Hoosier we actually rode 7 days. I wish we could have rode a couple more days, but hockey tournaments, and fishing derbies made the lodging somewhat difficult. It snowed so hard the day we did the canyon, we did not get see, or get any pics that we wanted. As for the 900 Ace, it was bought for my wife, but it got me hooked. No need to worry about the type fuel, 20 plus mpg, and most of all it's so quiet. I hate the helmet noise of my other sleds any more, and they are not loud at all (all stock exhaust). It is a little short on the top side, but the rest of its performance by far out weighs that loss. 85/90 top. Cruised at 70/75 all day, or wide open for miles. It's a perfect ride for me. Pulls hard out of the corners, and you never get tired of riding it. It will never wear you out. I find that the new 1200's with the electronic throttle are much better than the older ones without TBW. The Doo 4/strokes sleds are by far better balanced and handling rides than the Yama/Cats are. Sleds should not need power steering!!! 1200 is very much faster than the Viper. My 900 will run with the Viper. Followed a S/W for a couple of days, no problem. He would lose me fast on the open runs, but I could push him hard in the twistie/curved trails. When he would stop, he was wore out. Ride before you buy always!!! And 4/strokes are a different ride than a 2/stroke. How ever the Ace 900 is very, very close. I'm ready to go back!!!!!!!!!! I've got big plans for next year!!!!!!!

That sounds great. The noise thing is something I didn't expect either - part of when I was riding it I was riding with my 5 year daughter in front of me. We could basically have a conversation even with helmets on.

frnash
03-06-2017, 11:52 PM
[QUOTE=Hoosier;445405]Good to hear. How many days did that take? …This message with the malformed/mangled quotation (and many similar ones of late) inspired me to spend most of the day completely reworking my earlier post in Board Use Q&A, entitled "Using quotations in your message(s) …" (http://forum.johndee.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?34464-Using-quotations-in-your-message(s)-%85).

Nothin' personal old abe, just borrowing this context as a convenient jumping off point; you're not alone!

Once again, "There's been a lot of edited/screwed up quotations on the board lately!"

Note to all: See my "latest and greatest" effort at …
(click →) How to use quotes in replying to a message (http://forum.johndee.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?34464-Using-quotations-in-your-message(s)-%85&p=445526#post445526), a full and complete tutorial (with lotsa purty pictures!).
I will be referring other folks to that tutorial as the need arises.

old abe
03-07-2017, 08:22 AM
[QUOTE=old abe;445411]This message with the malformed/mangled quotation (and many similar ones of late) inspired me to spend most of the day completely reworking my earlier post in Board Use Q&A, entitled "Using quotations in your message(s) …" (http://forum.johndee.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?34464-Using-quotations-in-your-message(s)-%85).

Nothin' personal old abe, just borrowing this context as a convenient jumping off point; you're not alone!

Once again, "There's been a lot of edited/screwed up quotations on the board lately!"

Note to all: See my "latest and greatest" effort at …
(click →) How to use quotes in replying to a message (http://forum.johndee.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?34464-Using-quotations-in-your-message(s)-%85&p=445526#post445526), a full and complete tutorial (with lotsa purty pictures!).
I will be referring other folks to that tutorial as the need arises.

Okay frnash. But does anyone else care??? I get your reason. Buttttttttttt-----------------, I say so what!!!

frnash
03-07-2017, 12:37 PM
[QUOTE=frnash;445529]

Okay frnash. But does anyone else care??? I get your reason. Buttttttttttt-----------------, I say so what!!!
You may have a point. I guess we'll see. :indecisiveness:

old abe
03-07-2017, 03:29 PM
[QUOTE=old abe;445538]
You may have a point. I guess we'll see. :indecisiveness:

Don't be stealing my identity now too!!! You just keep doing what you have been, and all will be fine!!!

frnash
03-07-2017, 06:23 PM
[QUOTE=frnash;445581]

Don't be sealing my identity now too!!! You just keep doing what you have been, and all will be fine!!!


"Don't be sealing [sic?] my identity now too!!"? — I don't have a clue to what that means!
How come I see an "orphan" formatting tag at the head of your latest message, as reads: {QUOTE=old abe;445597} (but in square brackets "[" & "]" instead?

That couldn't be a carelessly edited quotation, as discussed in step 5 of my post "How to use quotes in replying to a message (http://forum.johndee.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?34464-Using-quotations-in-your-message(s)-%85&p=445526#post445526)", could it?

Naww, that certainly couldn't be, 'cuz that would just be an example of the old saying:
"You buy 'em books, and buy 'em books, and all they do is eat the covers!"


A usage example from an article in the Los Angeles Times, June 28, 1985:
(click →) "State Dept. Official Scores U.S. Churches' Sympathy for Central American Marxists" (http://articles.latimes.com/1985-06-28/news/mn-1314_1_window-dressing), quoted here in part:
"The official, Assistant Secretary of State Langhorne A. Motley, also said he found Congress and the media unexpectedly difficult to educate about Central America.

'You buy 'em books and buy 'em books, and all they do is eat the covers,' he said."And besides, I have a lot of respect for (click →) Old Abe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Abe).

:devilish:

old abe
03-07-2017, 08:25 PM
Good job frnash, except I would have thought you would have figured out that I forgot the "t"??? Yes, my bad. How ever, I am happy to see that you are still on the job!!! Can you figure out what "old abe" my user name comes from??? With your resources, you should be able to get it??? Oh, I almost forgot again, it has been raining again in Ontario!!!!!!!!!! I really enjoy riding up there!!!

frnash
03-08-2017, 12:04 AM
… Can you figure out what "old abe" my user name comes from??? …
I thought fer sure it was this: (click →) Old Abe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Abe). :cool3:

old abe
03-08-2017, 09:11 AM
frnash, just keep doing what you do best!!! I enjoy it very much!!!

old abe
04-07-2017, 02:16 PM
I have some sad news. OFSC says the Ontario snowmobile trails are all closed. This year has to be one of the earliest this has happened up there. What a BUUMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!