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    if this qualifies as a rant not approved for this site, I understand and just remove it. Ill keep it short and simple.... Anyone that thinks this F-CON in SE Wi is a great idea..... SHOULD LIVE IN THIS NIGHTMARE ONCE!

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    I can imagine....I live on the east end of Walworth Co. and there is a continuous looping caravan of dump trucks hauling gravel from way out here.

    The drivers are all smiling, going ..."cha-ching,....cha-ching!!!!

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    I have a funny feeling you're referring to the MAJOR traffic jam this morning on HWY 20 at HWY 94, heading EAST? That was a bit ridiculous....and what were the cops doing out there directing traffic?
    One thing I've noticed is, there's a MAJOR increase in truck traffic on HWY 20. It's all trucks. Took me over an hour this A.M. to go 31 miles. Fortunately it ALL ends for me in 36 weeks.

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    Yes and no, our infrastructure around here has been deteriorating to say the least, had no money to fix, now we are the construction hub of the state, and as snowbuilder said a constant loop of dump trucks, constant stream of trucks past our business, a lot of which are not even form the area, and I do understand...take advantage of the gold rush, but they drive by their own rules and it seems like we are supposed to look the other way. and if anyone thinks things will get better when its done is seriously mistaken, if you live in the surrounding area weather you like it or not your life is going to change, in my opinion... why they are here is location, interstate and unending supply of fresh water which makes you wonder how long before we wont be able to eat the fish or how much it will change the eco system. My neighbor has wanted to put up pole building in a so called "wet area" which I assure you hasn't been wet as long as I can remember. but hey.... want to build a large company on top of wet lands... go right ahead, no problem. the county to the south of us had it right when they said no. we should have as well. some landowners were made millionaires and some had their land taken. just don't like the whole thing, especially all the concessions that have been made. wouldn't we all like that yellow brick road paved for us. that's it ill stop now
    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus_Driver View Post
    I have a funny feeling you're referring to the MAJOR traffic jam this morning on HWY 20 at HWY 94, heading EAST? That was a bit ridiculous....and what were the cops doing out there directing traffic?
    One thing I've noticed is, there's a MAJOR increase in truck traffic on HWY 20. It's all trucks. Took me over an hour this A.M. to go 31 miles. Fortunately it ALL ends for me in 36 weeks.

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    What is the F-CON?

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    I was disappointed to see all the farmland that will be paved over. Some of the best land for growing in the state of Wisconsin under gravel and asphalt. Too bad because once it's gone...it's gone.

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    https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/28/tec...ant/index.html

    Old article but sort of explains some of the issues

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    No one ever thought a technology co. of this size would ever set up shop in the US, let alone WI.
    This is the type of project that you hear about an say "those jobs would be nice to have around here".

    Wisconvalley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jebjk1 View Post
    What is the F-CON?
    Foxconn
    If you are on any sort of technology at your fingertips you have a product they provide.

    They are providers of medical tech as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    Yes and no, our infrastructure around here has been deteriorating to say the least, had no money to fix, now we are the construction hub of the state, and as snowbuilder said a constant loop of dump trucks, constant stream of trucks past our business, a lot of which are not even form the area, and I do understand...take advantage of the gold rush, but they drive by their own rules and it seems like we are supposed to look the other way. and if anyone thinks things will get better when its done is seriously mistaken, if you live in the surrounding area weather you like it or not your life is going to change, in my opinion... why they are here is location, interstate and unending supply of fresh water which makes you wonder how long before we wont be able to eat the fish or how much it will change the eco system. My neighbor has wanted to put up pole building in a so called "wet area" which I assure you hasn't been wet as long as I can remember. but hey.... want to build a large company on top of wet lands... go right ahead, no problem. the county to the south of us had it right when they said no. we should have as well. some landowners were made millionaires and some had their land taken. just don't like the whole thing, especially all the concessions that have been made. wouldn't we all like that yellow brick road paved for us. that's it ill stop now
    Oh no, it will be great they said, no pollution they said, roads will be taken care of they said. Well I am the Lorax I and speak for the trees! Hopefully some of the things they promised will work but I agree with the above, no restriction too large that they can't get through now.

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    I hope it works out for Wisconsin but it cost u 4Bil in tax breaks for 13000 jobs thats around 300,000 a job biggest incentive package to date i hope it was worth it only time will tell now

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    Remember Motorola in Harvard, IL. Paved over 300 acres of farm land to build cell phones of all things. Built and opened with great fanfare and thought to be a big win for the area. Now there is 1.5 million square feet of unused space. Motorola only lasted 7 years before they folded up and eventually sold off the space to the Chinese who are no longer paying property taxes.

    Lets hope that Foxcon lasts longer and does not leave their own little ghost town in the region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saber1 View Post
    I hope it works out for Wisconsin but it cost u 4Bil in tax breaks for 13000 jobs thats around 300,000 a job biggest incentive package to date i hope it was worth it only time will tell now
    It hasn't cost 4 B. The tax incentives are jobs based and over 10 years....no jobs, NO PAYOUT...BTW where do you ppl get your news info that you don't already know this?

    Full employment in the const. field right now will be filling the state coffers immediately this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    Remember Motorola in Harvard, IL. Paved over 300 acres of farm land to build cell phones of all things. Built and opened with great fanfare and thought to be a big win for the area. Now there is 1.5 million square feet of unused space. Motorola only lasted 7 years before they folded up and eventually sold off the space to the Chinese who are no longer paying property taxes.

    Lets hope that Foxcon lasts longer and does not leave their own little ghost town in the region.
    When was this, is the big question. Without getting into the politics of it, I think its self explanatory. But as we all know, things change, laws change, tax incentives change, and companies react to those changes.

    Hopefully FoxxConn works out better this time.

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    or we can spend another 150 million ripping up all the roads in the city for a trolley car that no one rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    Remember Motorola in Harvard, IL. Paved over 300 acres of farm land to build cell phones of all things. Built and opened with great fanfare and thought to be a big win for the area. Now there is 1.5 million square feet of unused space. Motorola only lasted 7 years before they folded up and eventually sold off the space to the Chinese who are no longer paying property taxes.

    Lets hope that Foxcon lasts longer and does not leave their own little ghost town in the region.
    That could become a reality with the party of obstruction and socialism, "ie" the Evers, and Doyle types in charge. Fortunately the adults will still be in charge of the st senate and assembly and that = "block-ski".

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    My thoughts exactly, no one really knows the extent of the tax incentives, what happens when and if they pull out. We already have a large piece of industrial property on the lakefront that the forest is starting to reclaim but is still contaminated, while the very company that was once based there still functions at another location, im sure eventually tax payers will be on the line to reclaim property to make it viable again, and good lick with the 13,000 jobs, high profile good paying jobe abundant here and no one can fine employment or people to work. And if we are employing local people why are we building housing. it all looks good from outside, but living in it is a different story. or how one persons vacant land is worth millions and another is blighted because a town ship wants the land for other possible construction that may come along with. Overnight everyone's property is worth more money, for what? taxes. to pay for all of this new infrastructure being put in, re built or recovered. We will see what comes but afraid also that we will eventually be left as a ghost town.
    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    Remember Motorola in Harvard, IL. Paved over 300 acres of farm land to build cell phones of all things. Built and opened with great fanfare and thought to be a big win for the area. Now there is 1.5 million square feet of unused space. Motorola only lasted 7 years before they folded up and eventually sold off the space to the Chinese who are no longer paying property taxes.

    Lets hope that Foxcon lasts longer and does not leave their own little ghost town in the region.

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    um...I think ya'll forgetting something impotent....how much are your taxes...lets say 3000 a year...and that's just the house so counting food and all thing taxed you could times it several times over

    3000 per person per year X 13,000 workers in just that one factory...not counting peripheral businesses and people which could number 6 times the 13,000...but

    13,000 X 3000 = 39 million dolla.....times 6 is 234,000,000 million dolla

    so theres that

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    Yes... looks good on paper...but... what is the company paying in taxes, or not and for how long. One other thing, I'm sure they are not coming here because the labor is cheaper.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tracker View Post
    um...I think ya'll forgetting something impotent....how much are your taxes...lets say 3000 a year...and that's just the house so counting food and all thing taxed you could times it several times over

    3000 per person per year X 13,000 workers in just that one factory...not counting peripheral businesses and people which could number 6 times the 13,000...but

    13,000 X 3000 = 39 million dolla.....times 6 is 234,000,000 million dolla

    so theres that

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    Even if they only hit half their job goals its a better deal then building a basketball arena for a bunch of millionaires and billionaires to create subpar part time seasonal employment. I myself have never seen Wisconsin so busy with trucking needs and there is a big increase of factory to factory shipments, which I take as a good sign, and F-conn should only increase these.

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    I'm confused...are jobs a good thing or what will make some ppl happy?

    I'm fairly certain there are at least 32 other states that would have loved to get Foxconn in their state....maybe even a few run by the Dems. as well.

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    F-conn has changed their plans several times already. Instead of making really big flatscreen TVs now they will be much smaller. Also the facility will be heavy on robots. 13000 people won't be needed. It is a massive bloated project that will take a long time if ever to recoup all the incentive money. Wisconsin has been played.

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    Oh really G....and you know this how, from all the way over in ND? Working for FoxCon or WI govn?
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    Just happened to be the headline item on my morning phone news today. Big long article. I am sure you could find it too. Really glad it isn't being built in MN so I won't have to pay for it.

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    grub, you hit the nail right on the head " so you wont have to pay for it" and yes as you put it earlier they have changed their plans multiple times, and you know what..no one can really say completely what all the concessions that were made were, yes.... employees will be paying taxes (obviously) but how much will the company be paying and for how long. And over night property values went up, why? to increase the taxes to pay for all the new infrastructure being put in for this, and the tax payer will continue to pay for its maintainence for years to come. 13,000 jobs? I have news for all those naysayers they most certainly wont be local, there is a large corporation in racine that has been trying to hire I believe 40 employees at a starting wage of $24.50 an hour and cant. You are exactly right... glad you're not paying for it, and I wish I wasn't either. When I started my business there were no concessions made, no free rides and taxes and insurance still top of the list of expenses. and where is the help for large corporations for companies that have an established foot print for a hundred years in this state? no where to be found. but lets roll out the golden carpet for this one.
    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    Just happened to be the headline item on my morning phone news today. Big long article. I am sure you could find it too. Really glad it isn't being built in MN so I won't have to pay for it.

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    Atleast it isn't money being spent on "shovel ready jobs" that turned out to be not so "shovel ready"..... How many bababababa billions was that again? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...nt_Act_of_2009

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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    Just happened to be the headline item on my morning phone news today. Big long article. I am sure you could find it too. Really glad it isn't being built in MN so I won't have to pay for it.
    Surely every article you read doesn't have any bias and is 100% factual, without any agenda. Fortunately, I'm much more skeptical and don't need a newspaper to tell me what to think.

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    My gawd, one party wants this to FAIL so bad that it's pathetic!...and the willing and able accomplice press is right there to aid and abet.
    If the demand by the public has changed from giant screens to more reasonable sized, do you think a huge successful company like Foxconn is going to ignore that fact?....Foxconn got this far without the libtard press in this country nipping at their ankles and I doubt these pissants will affect a thing with their headline grabbing half truths and flat out lies. Right now it's just a last ditch smear effort before the election.

    Heard this said today and LMAO....here in WI we have the Guv. of the state bringing in the technology future and thousands of jobs while the Mayor of MKE is riding around in his pride and joy.....a G.D. TROLLEY CAR CHOO CHOO....LOLOLOLOL.....100 years apart and heading in opposite directions....LOL
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    Everything I read on the internet is factual and non biased. It can't even be on the internet unless it is Kardashian approved and FDA compliant. Also it must also past muster with Dancing With The Stars and Monday Night Football. So don't imply that it does not have merit. I really don't care at all. Not even a little bit. But I am still glad to be from a state that will not have to pay for it. You know. In the remote possibility that it doesnt go as planned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    Everything I read on the internet is factual and non biased. It can't even be on the internet unless it is Kardashian approved and FDA compliant. Also it must also past muster with Dancing With The Stars and Monday Night Football. So don't imply that it does not have merit. I really don't care at all. Not even a little bit. But I am still glad to be from a state that will not have to pay for it. You know. In the remote possibility that it doesnt go as planned.
    Guess what YOU ALL paid for Tommy's CHOO CHOO!!!!!.....It was 50% funded with "FREE" FEDERAL TAX $$$$$$$
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    Actually snobuilder, the federal funding for the startup costs represent 42.9%.....better check those sources!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    I really don't care at all. Not even a little bit. But I am still glad to be from a state that will not have to pay for it. You know.
    Ya...and I thank God I don't live in the only state that voted Mon-dull, Hussein-O and Franken-stein, and their 6.5% sales tax.
    And be honest, you do care on some level....or there'd be no comment?

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    This is entertaining at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus_Driver View Post
    Ya...and I thank God I don't live in the only state that voted Mon-dull, Hussein-O and Franken-stein, and their 7.5% sales tax.
    And be honest, you do care on some level....or there'd be no comment?
    Fixed

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    Quote Originally Posted by durphee View Post
    Actually snobuilder, the federal funding for the startup costs represent 42.9%.....better check those sources!
    Can you back up your latest BS or will you just keep shooting from the hip with no proof.

    BTW what is "start up" cost?...the silly thing is on the tracks and ready to burn even more of your federal tax dollars with 3 years worth of 80% operational funding.
    You do realize that these libtard public trans projects are just another rat hole that can't ever possibly fund itself?
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    Fox conn has or will be opening offices up in Milw., Green Bay, Eau Claire and a research center in Madison. They’ve barely broke ground in Racine, this is just a start of the footprint they’ll have in Wis.
    Not even including the 100’s of companies that will benefit from making products for Fox Conn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snobuilder View Post
    I can imagine....I live on the east end of Walworth Co. and there is a continuous looping caravan of dump trucks hauling gravel from way out here.

    The drivers are all smiling, going ..."cha-ching,....cha-ching!!!!
    So I drive past the pit where all of this gravel is being hauled out of at least 5-6 times a week....couldn't help but notice that several of the trucks are from a company way up in Kaukauna WI.....this rising tide is going to float a lot of boats!.

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    Just saw an article that they are already downsizing and cutting jobs......

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    saw the same on the news this morning, all I have to say is surprise....surprise, would still like to know what all the tax concessions that were made were
    Quote Originally Posted by maddogg View Post
    Just saw an article that they are already downsizing and cutting jobs......

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    not good

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    Another bad deal???

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    china hates to see their workers unemployed. I bet they are really pissed that foxconn is building in WI.

    Buy some more Apple Iphones, ....LOL....be a partner not a doom and gloomer....LMAO
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    What phones aren't made in China?????????

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    here is my question.... A certain motor cycle manufacturer wants to move part of its production to europe to build bikes they sell in "europe" and what is our response? I dont remember the name calling and threats made bu a certain person, but know the overwhelming response was that it was not wildly accepted, and what of all the other companies that have moved cross the border or the ocean, wish I could remember all the good our main man had to say about that. But.... when a large corporation from over seas wants to move some of its production we roll out the biggest red carpet this state has ever seen, and yes jobs will be created but at tax payers expense, and again the infrastructure in this county is miserable to say the least and we never had money to fix it, and over night everyones property value went up, for what??? so we can pay for all the new infrastructure we have to put in for this red carpet deal. the hiring numbers have been wishy washy from the get go, first we were going to hire all local people, now it is people from the united states, and if we are going to hire local people why are we going to be building housing? I could be wrong but such a large technological corporation as this im sure they are going to have their own people in to get it running and how many are going to go back? how many wont be paying income taxes for 7 years? I dont know about everyone else but as a tax payer this bothers me, and as a business owner that got no red carpet of any sort, no tax concessions, if I am a day late on my tax liabilities it is an instant $700 fine, that bothers me. Seeing all this farm land, many of which were family farms disappearing is sad, or how some land was worth millions and other peoples land was blighted and basically taken from them is wrong. And with f-con's track record of wanting to build in other places in this country or world is shady to say the least. Why are they here? im sure it isnt because the labor is cheaper, they claim its because we are their biggest customer. But a large corporation such as them having such a big red carpet rolled out for them, not having to pay taxes for how many years? located near one of the biggest puddles of fresh water, why wouldnt they? one other thing no one has mentioned is where are all the profits going to go. I wish someone would explain why when one of our manufacturers wants to move its european production to europe its the end of the world, but when a foriegn company wants to move here we give them everything they want and then some, while the tax payers take it in the rear. Obviously I think this is a bad thing, maybe I will be proved wrong, but so far there has been so many changes and no guarantees im not holding my breath. and with the latest news of losing market share and making cuts, how would this country feel if one of our large manufacturers was losing share here but continuing to build or expand in foreign markets, oh wait a minute, it has happened and we don't like it so how is this different. I just think its a bad thing that we will be on the line for long after they are gone.

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    I'm in hope all this works out. So many chances it blows up, so few chances it pans out as hoped/planned??? Many, many of these type of "business buys" now days do blowup. The money disappears somehow, and the tax payers are held liable. Used to be our economy was strong enough, or of the stature, that businesses stood on their own. They carried themselves as the "paying consumers" provided the revenue source. Seems that is gone. This "buying business" stuff has been exploited by Walmart/Sams Club for many years, through tax abatement/exemption/reduction/elimination/shifting schemes. Some with large amounts of cash up front that does not have to be returned/repaid if things don't work out. Those deals are the ultimate of pure ignorance!!! Also more times than not the Walmart deals close other businesses down for various reasons. There's a lot of $$$ on the line here. I again say I sure hope it all works out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old abe View Post
    What phones aren't made in China?????????
    From a Forbes article I read this week regarding the Apple Phones, it said the engineering and marketing is all done here in the states. Components are sourced from around the globe and the assembly is in China where their labor can build a phone for about $10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old abe View Post
    I'm in hope all this works out. So many chances it blows up, so few chances it pans out as hoped/planned??? Many, many of these type of "business buys" now days do blowup. The money disappears somehow, and the tax payers are held liable. Used to be our economy was strong enough, or of the stature, that businesses stood on their own. They carried themselves as the "paying consumers" provided the revenue source. Seems that is gone. This "buying business" stuff has been exploited by Walmart/Sams Club for many years, through tax abatement/exemption/reduction/elimination/shifting schemes. Some with large amounts of cash up front that does not have to be returned/repaid if things don't work out. Those deals are the ultimate of pure ignorance!!! Also more times than not the Walmart deals close other businesses down for various reasons. There's a lot of $$$ on the line here. I again say I sure hope it all works out.
    I too hope it works out old abe, there is just so much on the line, too much to lose, with a company with a not so good track record as far as promises go, in an industry that changes as much as the weather does. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    I too hope it works out old abe, there is just so much on the line, too much to lose, with a company with a not so good track record as far as promises go, in an industry that changes as much as the weather does. Time will tell.
    Agree all the way!!!!!!!!!!!! Seen too many of these lures deals blowup.

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    The doom and gloom coming out of youse liberals is entertaining and all but here are a some facts.....something none of youse have bothered with in this entire thread....LOL




    Q: Why should we, in southwestern Wisconsin, care about Foxconn?

    A: Foxconn represents an entirely new industry for manufacturing in Wisconsin and the United States as a whole. They plan to bring up to 13,000 new jobs to our state and will invest $10 billion to build a 20 million square foot facility which is the size of 11 Lambeau Fields. This plant will be the first LCD facility outside of Asia.

    In addition to the direct impact of the Foxconn plant itself, the residual jobs and dollars created during construction and in its supply chain will have rippling impacts all over the state. One commenter on my Facebook page said, “This is not a stone in a pond ripple effect. This is an asteroid in a pond ripple effect. This will benefit the economy statewide.”

    We have manufacturers and suppliers in our communities who may directly and indirectly work with Foxconn. The Supply Chain Marketplace tool was launched this week as a pipeline for manufacturers and service providers to connect with Foxconn. Take a look at the following link to learn more: www.WISupplyChainMarketplace.com.

    We also have universities and colleges poised to train workers for Foxconn, their suppliers and spin-offs that may result from having a new technological company in our midst. A techno-giant like Foxconn draws the attention of investors and entrepreneurs to Wisconsin. We cannot possibly predict all of the potential benefits of this investment.

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    Q: What if we give Foxconn all of this money and they don’t come through? What kinds of guarantees do we have?
    A: We are not “giving” Foxconn any money up front. The company will have to spend money and hire people to receive any of the incentives.

    There are three types of incentives that the state is considering for Foxconn:
    1. Payroll Tax Credits – 17% of qualified wages paid to full-time employees with a cap of $1.5 billion. The 17% will only be calculated for positions that pay $30K - $100K annually.
    2. Tax Credits for Capital Expenditures – 15% of significant capital expenditures for seven years with a limit of $1.35 billion.
    3. Sales Tax Exemption for building materials, supplies, equipment and taxable landscaping and lawn maintenance services for construction and development of the facility.

    The state will set specific thresholds and measurements with the company during contract negotiations. They will have to meet specific numbers in order to qualify for different levels of tax credits. The bottom-line is that they will not get credits unless they meet the goals we set with them.

    I would also ask every reader to consider whether they would bail out of something into which they invested $10 billion? Foxconn will have more skin in this game than we will.

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    Q: Wouldn’t our money be better spent on schools, roads, etc?
    A: Again, we are not “giving” Foxconn any current money from the state treasury. We are not cutting Foxconn a check before they put a shovel into the ground or before they hire a single person. We are not taking money from another program or priority to pay Foxconn.

    The credits Foxconn will receive would not exist without Foxconn’s existence in Wisconsin. The tax credits that make up the incentives are directly tied to Foxconn’s payroll and Foxconn’s spending to build their facility. They have to put the money in to get the money out.

    Any investments that the state and local governments make to improve roads and infrastructure will benefit citizens for generations regardless of Foxconn.

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    Amazing, an argument backed up by actual facts. Seldom seen in these parts, well done snobuilder

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    Ha ha, snobuilder!!! I really do enjoy, and get a laugh at how you get the "right", "left", or what ever tag you call whoever into most of your comments!!! Got to be careful here on the political stuff. And I'm not trying to poke at you. But I must ask, "right" = conservative??? Seems these type business deals are of the "liberal" type thinking, eh??? Or perhaps "counterfeit conservative"??? Anyway, I say so what!!!!!!!!!!! Good comments #49 above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old abe View Post
    Ha ha, snobuilder!!! I really do enjoy, and get a laugh at how you get the "right", "left", or what ever tag you call whoever into most of your comments!!! Got to be careful here on the political stuff. And I'm not trying to poke at you. But I must ask, "right" = conservative??? Seems these type business deals are of the "liberal" type thinking, eh??? Or perhaps "counterfeit conservative"??? Anyway, I say so what!!!!!!!!!!! Good comments #49 above.
    I just enjoy throwing cold water on the doom and gloomers. I'm still waiting for any other facts besides mine....and please no anecdotal evidence.

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    I have to say this is a pretty darn good discussion!!! And please snobuilder, don't change your ways You help keep the life in this site for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old abe View Post
    Ha ha, snobuilder!!! I really do enjoy, and get a laugh at how you get the "right", "left", or what ever tag you call whoever into most of your comments!!! Got to be careful here on the political stuff. And I'm not trying to poke at you. But I must ask, "right" = conservative??? Seems these type business deals are of the "liberal" type thinking, eh??? Or perhaps "counterfeit conservative"??? Anyway, I say so what!!!!!!!!!!! Good comments #49 above.
    How on earth can you possibly cite this as a "liberal type thinking" when the deal was put together by a conservative president, conservative Speaker of the House from Wisconsin, conservative governor, conservative Senate, and conservative Assembly?

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    In before the close....

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    all I know is it is hard to comment on this new jobs deal if we can't also talk politics. It would not exist except for WI legislation.

    I want this to WORK and I like the way it was set up to succeed for both Foxconn AND WI residents before ANY incentives kick in.

    I realize that economies and companies are never stagnant and perfectly predictable but a positive attitude towards this deal will go a long way to it's success vs. everyone having a negative "SEE I told you this was a bad deal" attitude which is so petty and useless I say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snobuilder View Post
    all I know is it is hard to comment on this new jobs deal if we can't also talk politics. It would not exist except for WI legislation.

    I want this to WORK and I like the way it was set up to succeed for both Foxconn AND WI residents before ANY incentives kick in.

    I realize that economies and companies are never stagnant and perfectly predictable but a positive attitude towards this deal will go a long way to it's success vs. everyone having a negative "SEE I told you this was a bad deal" attitude which is so petty and useless I say.
    I'm not commenting to do that snobuilder. It's just so many of these type deals blowup somehow. No matter large, or small. And then the taxpayers inherit the spoils. Again, I hope this thing all works as intended!!!

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    Looks like its blowing up already.....

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    yep

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    I wonder if the UW system will now give back the $100,000,000 gift they received from Foxconn?....any professors on here?

    Keep on cheerleading a failure for Foxconn, Dems....SMH.

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    ha..knew it..they pulled out and left u guys hangin..13k jobs..hahahhaha..ur lucky to get 5k

    how can wisco let that happen..wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsnomo View Post
    How on earth can you possibly cite this as a "liberal type thinking" when the deal was put together by a conservative president, conservative Speaker of the House from Wisconsin, conservative governor, conservative Senate, and conservative Assembly?
    All republicans but not conservatives, if conservative has anything to do with free market, small government etc. But when is the last time a republican said no to a big business? Democrat either for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POLARISDAN View Post
    ha..knew it..they pulled out and left u guys hangin..13k jobs..hahahhaha..ur lucky to get 5k

    how can wisco let that happen..wow
    sober up....LOL

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    You beat me to it!..... is it all in the name???? "CONN" because that is certainly what it is turning out to be just that a con and I cant believe we are allowing this to happen, for those who don't know they wont be receiving their first payment of and don't quote me... $9 billion dollars as they have so far fell short of their job creation requirements. And then this morning it was announced that they would no longer be manufacturing LCD tv's here either which was the largest part of the manufacturing promise they had made when choosing to locate here, now they are supposed to be shifting towards engineering and prototyping and still going to create 13,000 jobs.... we'll see. There has been so much infrastructure put in here already anticipating manufacturing, not to mention who knows how many satellite companies planning the move anticipating it as well. From their previous history in other states and if I heard correctly their stock not doing so well, im not going to make any assumptions but I think its about time the state of wi gets out its KY and bends over.

    Quote Originally Posted by POLARISDAN View Post
    ha..knew it..they pulled out and left u guys hangin..13k jobs..hahahhaha..ur lucky to get 5k

    how can wisco let that happen..wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    You beat me to it!..... is it all in the name???? "CONN" because that is certainly what it is turning out to be just that a con and I cant believe we are allowing this to happen, for those who don't know they wont be receiving their first payment of and don't quote me... $9 billion dollars as they have so far fell short of their job creation requirements. And then this morning it was announced that they would no longer be manufacturing LCD tv's here either which was the largest part of the manufacturing promise they had made when choosing to locate here, now they are supposed to be shifting towards engineering and prototyping and still going to create 13,000 jobs.... we'll see. There has been so much infrastructure put in here already anticipating manufacturing, not to mention who knows how many satellite companies planning the move anticipating it as well. From their previous history in other states and if I heard correctly their stock not doing so well, im not going to make any assumptions but I think its about time the state of wi gets out its KY and bends over.
    I thought politics was against the rules....this appears very close to crossing the line?
    Before the thread gets pulled, I'll educate you (not sure why I bother). The state pays them NOTHING unless they meet certain job creation objectives. It's a win/win for WI, as there's nothing to lose, and everything to gain, if they don't keep employment promises. Read what Fox has clearly stated in the press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    All republicans but not conservatives, if conservative has anything to do with free market, small government etc. But when is the last time a republican said no to a big business? Democrat either for that matter.
    I couldn't agree more Hoosier, well put! Seen way too many of these type deals turn bad, and end up as nothing but a con job shafting. Didn't this same group already take a dump in Penn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old abe View Post
    I couldn't agree more Hoosier, well put! Seen way too many of these type deals turn bad, and end up as nothing but a con job shafting. Didn't this same group already take a dump in Penn?
    They did. Same thing happened. Made a deal, new governor was elected and changed the deal, and they left. Don't blame them for changing their plans, I wouldn't trust the new governor here to keep the deal intact, either. It's too bad, I really wanted it to go well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renegade View Post
    They did. Same thing happened. Made a deal, new governor was elected and changed the deal, and they left. Don't blame them for changing their plans, I wouldn't trust the new governor here to keep the deal intact, either. It's too bad, I really wanted it to go well.
    although I wasnt looking forward to how the landscape would change, and wasnt happy with all of the concessions that were made based simply on promises or how many people lost their land, some taken from and some made millionaires, I too had hoped it would work out, but its not looking promising and when it doesnt, who is going to be on the line for what has started and wont be finished. I hope things change and it all works out, but so far discouraging.

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    So Foxconn has pulled out and left WI with billions of our tax dollars then?
    I guess we are left with nothing but to turn over to a 100% socialist state. Live long and prosper comrads.
    We have good ppl in place for the transition!
    See you in the bread lines!

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    Idiots totally played by scam artists with a long record. Exactly how stupid can you be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    Idiots totally played by scam artists with a long record. Exactly how stupid can you be?
    Totally agree grub! Perhaps it's the FauxConn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    although I wasnt looking forward to how the landscape would change, and wasnt happy with all of the concessions that were made based simply on promises or how many people lost their land, some taken from and some made millionaires, I too had hoped it would work out, but its not looking promising and when it doesnt, who is going to be on the line for what has started and wont be finished. I hope things change and it all works out, but so far discouraging.
    Unfortunately its the way of the world nowadays. To much competition for manufacturing. Taxes, regulations, poeple complaining, etc.(the list is endless) makes it very difficult for companies that manufacture want to invest in plants in the United States. You need to all you can to get industries to come here. Just ask GM. Walker was on to something with this Foxcon. I still love the fact he never put his name on any of the welcome to Wisconsin signs, the new guy had his up before the paint dried.

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    Ya I wonder how much Fconn decision is due to new Gov.?? If it weren't for da weed on da ballot you would still have Walker. My opinion anyway.

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    Walker lost the health ins. votes.
    Don't think weed had anything to do with it.



    Quote Originally Posted by slimcake View Post
    Ya I wonder how much Fconn decision is due to new Gov.?? If it weren't for da weed on da ballot you would still have Walker. My opinion anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimcake View Post
    Ya I wonder how much Fconn decision is due to new Gov.?? If it weren't for da weed on da ballot you would still have Walker. My opinion anyway.
    I think it has everything to do with the new governor. And the uncertainty it brings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimcake View Post
    Ya I wonder how much Fconn decision is due to new Gov.?? If it weren't for da weed on da ballot you would still have Walker. My opinion anyway.
    Agree completely. Weed brought out the low class and low-middle in Milw and Dane Cty, many that never voted before.

    What I find interesting is the fact this thread has turned into a RIP the republican governor rant, yet it's not pulled. But if it turns into an Obama or Evers hate fest......?

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    Quote Originally Posted by renegade View Post
    I think it has everything to do with the new governor. And the uncertainty it brings.
    That's the same talking point I keep hearing conservative talk radio repeating over, and over, and over, bigly. But I guess it's all where you digest your information.
    It seems that if Evers IS the reason, Foxx Con would be using it as an easy out. But thats not what Foxx Con is saying.

    Scan down seven or eight paragraphs for those who dont like to read...
    https://fox6now.com/2019/01/31/gov-t...oving-forward/


    My take on it, even Walker knew, as time went on that the Foxx Con deal was starting to get less and less popular with Wisconsin voters (all except Racine county) because even he started using it less and less as a talking point towards the end of his reelection campaign.
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    it may be because of the weather and it happened before the polar vortex came but the steady stream of gravel trucks, probably a couple hundred a day has all but stopped completely, I follow fox 6 news as well and they had stated that construction has halted for the time being, which fox conn denies. like I said not sure if just because of the weather but dump and semi dump traffic has all but stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoot View Post
    That's the same talking point I keep hearing conservative talk radio repeating over, and over, and over, bigly. But I guess it's all where you digest your information.
    It seems that if Evers IS the reason, Foxx Con would be using it as an easy out. But thats not what Foxx Con is saying.

    Scan down seven or eight paragraphs for those who dont like to read...
    https://fox6now.com/2019/01/31/gov-t...oving-forward/


    My take on it, even Walker knew, as time went on, that the Foxx Con deal was starting to get less and less popular with Wisconsin voters (all except Racine county) because even he stopped using it as a talking point towards the end of his reelection campaign.


    You pretty much hit it right on scoot! It's absolutely amazing how some people have to turn everything into a political issue, just to suit their way of thinking. No matter the side of politics of their liking. And they always blame the other side, whoever, or whatever it is. Just crazy how the truth means nothing to some people. Just amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvest1121 View Post
    Libby never lets facts get in the way of a good argument. Fake news the last few days. What else is new

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    HI, Any new info about Foxconn lately?
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    OH!...here is a little blurb

    "Foxconn Technology Group and Gilbane ǀ Exyte have awarded $34 in contracts to five Wisconsin companies for site utilities and road work at the Mount Pleasant campus that Foxconn is developing.Foxconn says it will begin construction of a Gen 6 LCD fabrication facility this summer. Image courtesy of Curt Waltz/Aerialscapes.com

    The companies include Waukesha-based Giles Engineering Associates Inc., Menomonee Falls-based Staff Electric Co. Inc., Black River Falls-based Hoffman Construction Co., Racine-based A.W. Oaks & Sons Inc. and Waukesha-based Payne & Dolan Inc.
    “Foxconn is proud to announce these successful Wisconsin-based subcontractors who will help make the Gen6 facility a reality,” said Louis Woo, special assistant to Foxconn CEO Terry Gou. “This investment will continue to provide new economic development to the local community and throughout the state. Our Wisconsin First approach guides how we conduct business in the Badger state, and we look forward to having a positive impact on a range of industries and sectors in the community. This is only the beginning.”

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    Meanwhile gov. Tony works to reward his electorate.

    "Wisconsin Gov. Evers’ budget proposes decriminalizing marijuana, legalizing medical use"




    and this concludes your entertainment for today, old lib....LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by snobuilder View Post
    OH!...here is a little blurb

    "Foxconn Technology Group and Gilbane ǀ Exyte have awarded $34 in contracts to five Wisconsin companies for site utilities and road work "
    Wooo, Tirty-four dollars. Such big spenders!

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    Family supporting construction jobs. Jobs where a spouse could actually stay at home and raise the children with as much care as some folks give their pets nowadays. I know,.... I'm a dreamer (legal immigrant citizen too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by snobuilder View Post
    Family supporting construction jobs. Jobs where a spouse could actually stay at home and raise the children with as much care as some folks give their pets nowadays. I know,.... I'm a dreamer (legal immigrant citizen too)
    I agree all with what you said here snobuilder. The way it should be! And I sure hope this thing all works out going against the grain. As VooDoo tax laws, and the greed for "cheap" labor across both the border, and the pond put this all out the window. Very sad.

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    we are...we aren't, it is...it isn't, unrealistic....renegotiations.... not surprised, and if I were one of the land owners ( because yes... there were those who didn't want to leave or move ) I would be watching this closely. Kenosha had the right idea by saying NO. IMO

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    Dem. Gov. Evers is doing all he can to muck up the contract.

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    And for no particular reason, other than his radical base wants him to. #notmygovernor

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    Having the economy humming along smoothly with full employment won't be tolerated by the other side.

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    Seems as Foxconns Louis Woo is who started the "renegotiation idea"? Appears a lot like their previous deals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old abe View Post
    Seems as Foxconns Louis Woo is who started the "renegotiation idea"? Appears a lot like their previous deals?
    That is the latest fake news.
    If that is true and foxconn initiated a renegotiation then why wasn't that the news 6 days ago when it was first reported? makes absolutely no sense at all. Evers said he was going to open new negociations and it was reported as such ... which was hilarious because he isn't an emperor. Evers is most likely trying to get Foxconn to include unionization.
    i predict he will muck it up somehow. Socialism can't stand independent prosperity.

    Foxconn continues to buy property in WI. That is a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snobuilder View Post
    That is the latest fake news.
    If that is true and foxconn initiated a renegotiation then why wasn't that the news 6 days ago when it was first reported? makes absolutely no sense at all. Evers said he was going to open new negociations and it was reported as such ... which was hilarious because he isn't an emperor. Evers is most likely trying to get Foxconn to include unionization.
    i predict he will muck it up somehow. Socialism can't stand independent prosperity.

    Foxconn continues to buy property in WI. That is a fact.
    I thought somewhat the same snobuilder. But if you fact check it, it was Woo who first brought up, and talked of renegotiating the deal. And again, this is not a new way of doing deals with Fcon. Not sure what socialism has to do with this deal other than it being subsidized?

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    fact of the matter is they are in negotiations, highly doubt to unionize but to protect the tax payers investment. fact of the matter, they have failed thus far for promised job creation (at this point in game) Fact of the matter... racine county was supposed to be ground zero for LARGE SCALE manufacturing which was supposed to accommodate a very large portion of jobs that were "supposed to be" created, that has been since greatly scaled back. Fact.... yes they are buying up property across Wisconsin which tends to lead to believe that manufacturing is no longer the main intention as it was initially stated, so Im sure the original foot print they were going to take here has changed greatly, their primary objective is now is research and engineering to my knowledge and that would explain buying office buildings IMO. Im not an expert but I am glad someone is watching out for the tax payer, and to all those naysayers maybe they should have moved into your back yard then, I think the opinion would be very different. They have a very bad reputation of keeping promises and commitment and again I am glad someone is concerned over it even if I don't approve of who is doing so. IMO


    Quote Originally Posted by snobuilder View Post
    That is the latest fake news.
    If that is true and foxconn initiated a renegotiation then why wasn't that the news 6 days ago when it was first reported? makes absolutely no sense at all. Evers said he was going to open new negociations and it was reported as such ... which was hilarious because he isn't an emperor. Evers is most likely trying to get Foxconn to include unionization.
    i predict he will muck it up somehow. Socialism can't stand independent prosperity.

    Foxconn continues to buy property in WI. That is a fact.

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    I don't blame foxconn. With the new gov I wouldn't be excited about building and employing with how fast all the good stuff is getting undone. Was a great plan. To bad wi put whacky weed on the vote and brought out all the hipsters.... Ok all done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    fact of the matter is they are in negotiations, highly doubt to unionize but to protect the tax payers investment. fact of the matter, they have failed thus far for promised job creation (at this point in game) Fact of the matter... racine county was supposed to be ground zero for LARGE SCALE manufacturing which was supposed to accommodate a very large portion of jobs that were "supposed to be" created, that has been since greatly scaled back. Fact.... yes they are buying up property across Wisconsin which tends to lead to believe that manufacturing is no longer the main intention as it was initially stated, so Im sure the original foot print they were going to take here has changed greatly, their primary objective is now is research and engineering to my knowledge and that would explain buying office buildings IMO. Im not an expert but I am glad someone is watching out for the tax payer, and to all those naysayers maybe they should have moved into your back yard then, I think the opinion would be very different. They have a very bad reputation of keeping promises and commitment and again I am glad someone is concerned over it even if I don't approve of who is doing so. IMO
    You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts.
    Just wondering how much more in taxes you are paying now that the Foxconn contract is a year or 2 old?

    I will repeat this fact one more time and slowly....All the tax break incentives are tied directly to the number of jobs created... no jobs =no tax breaks.

    The jobs also have to avg. $53,000 per year.

    I personally know 100's of construction workers that are directly or indirectly working on the project.

    These are your neighbors in SE WI who will have expendable income....who knows, they might also be your customers.

    BTW, as a businessman yourself, I have a hard time understanding your negativity towards Foxconn. I am sensing Walker derangement syndrome...let it go....your man Evers got the wheel now.
    It says it right on the large wooden sign as you enter WI from IL.
    You know,....the one that used to say "Welcome To Wisconsin. We are Open For Business"
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    snobuilder, I never said I was paying more taxes, however the money the state is "going to" or "has given" them wasn't planted in the ground or didn't grow on trees. And yes I know the tax breaks are based on jobs created, which they have fell short on. and yes I see the construction work going on and yes they may be or will be my customer, that is not the problem I have with this. I have stated before I wont be surprised as to what happens, as it has already changed again and again from their original plan, and I also will say that tax payers are on the line already around here for the infrastructure that is being put in place as over night everyones property values went through the roof, why??? because someone has to pay for it. I am glad to see the construction work...... believe me and am even more glad that a majority of it is local, nothing I hate more than a company from out of state is building roads or whatever it may be. Racine county was supposed to be ground zero for large scale manufacturing, isn't going to be now, scaled back greatly, most of the jobs were supposed to be here and from the fact that they are buying buildings all over the place I doubt that is still the plan. snobuilder…. there is no walker derangement here, that I CAN ASSURE YOU, we are now stuck with someone the next gen put in place the promise of pot and handouts got him there, but I promise you it wasn't my vote. We'll see what comes of it, not going to hold my breath and quite honestly am not looking forward to how the landscape is going to change around here.

    Quote Originally Posted by snobuilder View Post
    You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts.
    Just wondering how much more in taxes you are paying now that the Foxconn contract is a year or 2 old?

    I will repeat this fact one more time and slowly....All the tax break incentives are tied directly to the number of jobs created... no jobs =no tax breaks.

    The jobs also have to avg. $53,000 per year.

    I personally know 100's of construction workers that are directly or indirectly working on the project.

    These are your neighbors in SE WI who will have expendable income....who knows, they might also be your customers.

    BTW, as a businessman yourself, I have a hard time understanding your negativity towards Foxconn. I am sensing Walker derangement syndrome...let it go....your man Evers got the wheel now.
    It says it right on the large wooden sign as you enter WI from IL.
    You know,....the one that used to say "Welcome To Wisconsin. We are Open For Business"

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    Unfortunately we'll never now anything. New governor gets his fingers in the mix, if Foxx con is successful, he will take the credit. If they fail it's walkers fault. It's Bs politics. If it's cheaper to change their plans down there cause of the higher taxes coming down the pipeline, of course they are going change. You would too.

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    renegade, AGREED! Im not against them coming here, do I hope they succeed? yes. The thing that irritates me is the fact that our county was supposed to be ground zero for large scale manufacturing and originally a large portion of jobs they are to be created. People lost their homes, land and farms with the anticipation that this is what was coming, infrastructure also was put in place anticipating such and we are on the line for that, not the state. Do I want it to work? yes but sure would be nice to be as initially promised. You are also right when either the blame game comes if it fails and the crown if it succeeds.

    Quote Originally Posted by renegade View Post
    Unfortunately we'll never now anything. New governor gets his fingers in the mix, if Foxx con is successful, he will take the credit. If they fail it's walkers fault. It's Bs politics. If it's cheaper to change their plans down there cause of the higher taxes coming down the pipeline, of course they are going change. You would too.

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