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    IMG_2706[1].jpgGot to the cabin this weekend and pulled the sled out of the truck and tipped on side to replace carbides and discovered this. No idea when it happened, sometime last year, but I'm wondering if anybody has ever taken on the job of replacing these on their own. Sled is fully insured so I can get it done at the shop.

    Outside of that discovery it was a good weekend. Lots of snow for this early in the yr, saw a couple moose which is always fun.

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    Ouch - looks like a couple mean rocks got driven over! I think those pieces are part of the entire front under carriage - including chain case. Might be a spendy insurance claim to do the job right.

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    That is a bulkhead repair. Depending on the vintage of the sled Pol started gluing sleds together some years ago. I did a few of these 30 years ago and it was a lot of work then. Everything has to come apart. Nowadays I would not attempt it. In addition to special glue they use self piercing rivets and other interesting tech that is hard to duplicate on a re-build. If you have never done it before now is a poor time to start. That sled is probably totaled if you filed an insurance claim on it. Collect insurance on it and run it until it dies.

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    I did that once. 2012 Pro R 800. Motor comes out. Lots of heating. Big job. Probably good that I did that job because this is what I found while trying to pull the clutch...clutch1.jpg

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    ouch that sucks, I also think if you go insurance they will just total the sled
    they don't spend much these days fixing them, labor and other costs out weight just totaling them out for most insurance company's,
    they can offer it back to you in a buy out, and if cheap enough, could be worth it, , but again, I see a lot of work there and safety issue's if you ride it hard again !
    maybe look at it as a way to upgrade? LOL

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    Yeah, I looked at the parts required and they aren't too expensive, only about $700. Its a 2016 so I'd have to do the gluing though and that worries me. I don't really want for it to be totaled as I'm probably not in the position to buy a new sled right now, something about large tuition bills for my daughter this yr and then both daughter and son next yr.

    If it goes in for repair I don't want it out of service for a long period so I'd wait until spring. I don't think there's a risk of any additional damage (unless I hit more crap.) I'll contact the insurance company next week and get it looked at.

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    Ok if you didn't feel that , then what the heck, anyways replace the one sheet of aluminum thats riveted on and then install a ski plate, or turn it in to the ins. and your rates may go up on your next sled. Don't talk to your ins guy until your ready to purchase another sled, because its probably totaled, parts not to bad but like said entire sled tore apart, lots of labor and most shops don't want to do it as they loose there pants on it. My opinion

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    I don't see a problem...couple a punctures, nothing major.... but yes probably totaled from an insurance standpoint. buy it back and run it.
    i guess I missed what sled it is.??

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    I can't BELIEVE you actually did that to your sled, and never knew you did it!!
    You obviously like to drink a lot when you ride, because that's the ONLY way I could see doing that kind of damage and not know it.
    Some of the stories you get on here are some of the wildest sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus_Driver View Post
    I can't BELIEVE you actually did that to your sled, and never knew you did it!!
    You obviously like to drink a lot when you ride, because that's the ONLY way I could see doing that kind of damage and not know it.
    Some of the stories you get on here are some of the wildest sheet.
    there it is the JD police... Ffs man. Pull your head out of your mom's rearend and relax. Those cast aluminum pieces break easily. The gouge is easy to miss when you have a helmet on. God some people are quick to judge!!

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    I would check your track too, that looks like you ran over a metal stake or post of some sort....

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    I am not sure you can total the sled for insurance, buy it back, then ride it again. I totaled my sled last year, and in the process of buying it back was told that sled could no longer be insured. I bought it and sold it for parts so it did not matter to me. But when the sled is totaled for insurance, I was told that they put an indicator on the VIN to prevent it from being insured again. I wouldn't ride it again without some type of insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bayfly View Post
    I am not sure you can total the sled for insurance, buy it back, then ride it again. I totaled my sled last year, and in the process of buying it back was told that sled could no longer be insured. I bought it and sold it for parts so it did not matter to me. But when the sled is totaled for insurance, I was told that they put an indicator on the VIN to prevent it from being insured again. I wouldn't ride it again without some type of insurance.
    I am 100% possitive you can do so
    I did it 3 yrs ago
    totaled sled, bought it back, rebuilt it, , had to get a form filled out to re title it to change its status from totaled, to GOOD again
    the biggest issue was, with insurance
    that was impossible for ME to get it with full coverage again
    as the question they ask you is, if you know if its been totaled or such, and unless you wish to LIE and and that can be illegal!
    I was an able to insure it
    the CRAZY part is, if I sell it to someone and DON"T say it was totaled and NO law says I have to , as it was again, back to a CLEAN title after rebuild and paperwork filed
    a NE owner can insure is any way they wish as long as they DON"T Know it was once totaled
    as once re titled you can run the vin and it will NOT come back showing it was ever totaled,
    so, NO insurance company could ever know it was totaled, unless you again TOLD them so??

    so again, yes you CAN rebuild it and re title it, and re register it , and have a clean vin showing it is a legal NON totaled machine?
    or I was able to to here in Pa.
    you can do the same on a car /truck, but there is a LEGAL inspection process to go thru too, and I DON"T think you will ever have the totaled info removed from it due to the added steps in it that stay with the vin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus_Driver View Post
    I can't BELIEVE you actually did that to your sled, and never knew you did it!!
    You obviously like to drink a lot when you ride, because that's the ONLY way I could see doing that kind of damage and not know it.
    Some of the stories you get on here are some of the wildest sheet.
    did u really just say that..where do you get off with an assumption like that on somebody u dont even know..UNREAL

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    This is exactly the type of injury you would not notice. Plus elf has family riding sleds and cannot be expected to know every bump on or off the trail. To say drinking had anything to do with it is so completely off base I can't believe it. Go back and crawl in to your hole and stay there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    This is exactly the type of injury you would not notice. Plus elf has family riding sleds and cannot be expected to know every bump on or off the trail. To say drinking had anything to do with it is so completely off base I can't believe it. Go back and crawl in to your hole and stay there.
    OK dad.

    I'd say it's more likely coming back from pub about 2:45 AM, missed turn in trail, went in pickers and hit a bunch of 2-3 inch birch. Too embarrassed to admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus_Driver View Post
    I can't BELIEVE you actually did that to your sled, and never knew you did it!!
    You obviously like to drink a lot when you ride, because that's the ONLY way I could see doing that kind of damage and not know it.
    Some of the stories you get on here are some of the wildest sheet.
    First of all thanks to all the others for sticking up for me. Its a RMK and we do a lot of off trail riding so I do bump a lot of things, rocks/stumps/etc... But never felt anything hit hard enough to do that type of damage. I also thought maybe a metal stake but just don't know where it would've happened. And you can actually see part of a branch stuck in there, don't know if that was the cause or just got stuck in there later. Also since I'm 99% sure this happened last yr, all I'd rode it this yr is from the trailer, around the yard, and into the back of the truck. I only noticed it when I went to put new cabides on at the cabin.
    So to wrap that up, it wasn't the result of drinking and riding and I'm really disappointed somebody would jump to that conclusion. Especially since most of my posts relate to riding with my family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catspaz8 View Post
    I would check your track too, that looks like you ran over a metal stake or post of some sort....
    I did and didn't see any damage to the track

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    Seems like rebuilding it wouldn’t be that big of a deal if you’re used to working with your hands. It’s a sled, not the space shuttle. Make it an off-season project though; likely not something you can just do in a couple of weekends due to figuring out parts needed and then ordering them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus_Driver View Post
    OK dad.

    I'd say it's more likely coming back from pub about 2:45 AM, missed turn in trail, went in pickers and hit a bunch of 2-3 inch birch. Too embarrassed to admit it.
    And then doubles down..... Do you know the guy?? I do.

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    How about if you just pop riveted a couple of pieces of aluminum in those areas and use poly caulk to waterproof it (or use poly caulk alone) put a skid plate on it and call it done, not a perfect solution but
    effective

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    Quote Originally Posted by snomoman View Post
    How about if you just pop riveted a couple of pieces of aluminum in those areas and use poly caulk to waterproof it (or use poly caulk alone) put a skid plate on it and call it done, not a perfect solution but
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    X3 you need a skidplate!

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    If you're not worried about the repurcussions of making a claim, I would turn it in to your insurance. Tell them you'll be fixing it yourself and collect the check. Then go have it welded by a good aluminum welder. In fact I'd just have it welded whether I turned it into insurance or not. The cost to have it welded could be less than your deductible. Put a skid plate on it to prevent future situations like this.

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    Put a skid plate on it and all your other sleds , ride it like a rental

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus_Driver View Post
    OK dad.

    I'd say it's more likely coming back from pub about 2:45 AM, missed turn in trail, went in pickers and hit a bunch of 2-3 inch birch. Too embarrassed to admit it.
    Yeh there is a chunk a wood in the wound but I seriously doubt that a sapling caused the penetrations.

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    Flexsteel! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmvette427 View Post
    Flexsteel! Lol
    Ha good one. Then the guy can talk about how amazing it is on sleds to! 😁

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus_Driver View Post
    I can't BELIEVE you actually did that to your sled, and never knew you did it!!
    You obviously like to drink a lot when you ride, because that's the ONLY way I could see doing that kind of damage and not know it.
    Some of the stories you get on here are some of the wildest sheet.
    so I see you stick to the ribbon and judge any one who is not riding just like you .
    I have totaled a bulk head and had no idea I did it untill after the fact . and I don't drink .
    seriously what a clueless tool comment

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    wow what a cluless .
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    total it get the check buy it back get it welded and reinforced. if you have been running it as is I can't see why a quality fab guy could not weld and reinforce to be just as strong if not stronger .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezra View Post
    total it get the check buy it back get it welded and reinforced. if you have been running it as is I can't see why a quality fab guy could not weld and reinforce to be just as strong if not stronger .
    No quality fab guy would be stupid enough to do that , due to liability issues.

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    blow the pic up and it is clear to see that you ran over something with a sharp metal edge.... the middle gouge is such a clean cut, it looks like it was machined in....lol....what brand/year/model sled is that?

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    It doesn't look like a stick did that but a stick surely could have got caught in there after the fact. It looks more cosmetic than structural damage to me. If it were mine I would do like ezra said and have the insurance co look at it and probably total it and then buy it back. But I would not get it welded or have anybody else fix it. In the first place that metal skin is very thin and would be hard to straighten out and weld. It would never look 'right'. if it were mine I would just get a piece of aluminum and pop rivet it over the gash. Just make sure you don't drill a hole in anything important when you are drilling the pop rivet holes. All you need to do is keep the snow out. it doesn't have to look pretty.

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    I agree that it looks like it was a metal stake or something. People have what sled it is, it’s a 2016 RMK 600. I think I may just replace the the aluminum panel and cover the other holes. Might be time for a skid plate.

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    A skid plate is for sure a good idea, regardless of how you fix the damage. They have saved my sleds from lots of damage over the years.

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    I work at a body shop . I would cut some pieces of aluminium . Use structual adhesive . Take a floor jack to push up onto repair let it sit overnite and forget about it . No problem .

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    Quote Originally Posted by snobuilder View Post
    blow the pic up and it is clear to see that you ran over something with a sharp metal edge.... the middle gouge is such a clean cut, it looks like it was machined in....lol....what brand/year/model sled is that?
    Steel post perhaps? They tend to bend over as they are hit. I hit a short one sticking out of the ground about 12" with my 79 TXL right side running board. The flange/shield in the front of heat exchanger took the brunt of it, and bent the post over some. It didn't damage the heat exchanger in itself, anymore than laying over a couple of the fins. I was extremely lucky! I suggest grub, and ill marty's fix methods.

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    I've replaced one side of the bulkhead and the aluminum plate. Fortunately because I only needed to do one side I didn't have to pull the engine. Even so, it's a pretty big job. Plenty of rivets need to be drilled out. Must heat the mating surfaces to remove that aluminum plate (glued in place) as well as to separate the bulkhead. Since you'd be replacing both sides you'd probably not need to separate the bulkhead. You need special glue and dispenser. I had to do it as the bulkhead was bent and had a broken bit.

    Your bulkhead is likely straight. You could patch those holes with some aluminum sheet with some structural adhesive and get a skid plate.

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    Finally got done with the insurance company. The estimate was $2600 with only 11 hrs for labor. I would've expected much more labor. So they are sending me a check to fix it. If I do fix it it will be after the season is over.

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    Nice - if nothing else it will pay for your insurance for a few years!

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