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    Default new normal....old normal

    Not going to name where but went out to a bar for a drink and dinner for the first time in 2 months since this virus shuttered everything, I will admit was a little apprehensive about going because I will not wear a mask, sit in a plexiglass stall or a plastic tent, I can deal with social distancing but not social separation, kind of defeats the purpose of going out IMO. I would also prefer to not be served by someone wearing a mask and gloves. The county we live in has instilled their own "safer at home orders" yet noticed a very small amount of bars were open for business, We called one of our favorites for atmosphere and food and they were open, so we went. Got there walked in and to my surprise, and my approval, NO masks, NO plexiglass walls, NO plastic sheets. some people sitting next to each other at bar with a bar stool separating groups of 2 or 3, There was 2 stools open next to one couple, going to bar I would rather sit at bar so I asked the couple if they wanted to keep distanced or if they minded if we sat there and they said by all means sit. the bar tender... no mask..no gloves, food server... no mask...no gloves, cook you could see through door... no mask...no gloves. So what happened to new normal? I DONT CARE!! it was so nice to get out and once again FEEL NORMAL!! and hopefully they will continue this way! and guess what? Nobody was complaining, acting like a germaphobe, sanitizing every single thing someone did, I like the old normal and this place definitely made it feel that way! Again thank god there are level headed, non fear mongering people still out there.

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    Good to hear! Headed to Sconnie later today, and cannot wait to sit down, have a beer with dinner while shootin’ the blank with a few friends from work....

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    Ya road trip I took saturday it was great to see all the neon lights on as I drove by establishments!! People sitting on patios drinking cold beverages. Great to see!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    Not going to name where but went out to a bar for a drink and dinner for the first time in 2 months since this virus shuttered everything, I will admit was a little apprehensive about going because I will not wear a mask, sit in a plexiglass stall or a plastic tent, I can deal with social distancing but not social separation, kind of defeats the purpose of going out IMO. I would also prefer to not be served by someone wearing a mask and gloves. The county we live in has instilled their own "safer at home orders" yet noticed a very small amount of bars were open for business, We called one of our favorites for atmosphere and food and they were open, so we went. Got there walked in and to my surprise, and my approval, NO masks, NO plexiglass walls, NO plastic sheets. some people sitting next to each other at bar with a bar stool separating groups of 2 or 3, There was 2 stools open next to one couple, going to bar I would rather sit at bar so I asked the couple if they wanted to keep distanced or if they minded if we sat there and they said by all means sit. the bar tender... no mask..no gloves, food server... no mask...no gloves, cook you could see through door... no mask...no gloves. So what happened to new normal? I DONT CARE!! it was so nice to get out and once again FEEL NORMAL!! and hopefully they will continue this way! and guess what? Nobody was complaining, acting like a germaphobe, sanitizing every single thing someone did, I like the old normal and this place definitely made it feel that way! Again thank god there are level headed, non fear mongering people still out there.
    I feel the same as you, although I'm kind of a germy fobe when it comes to food prep , I like to see when the cooks wear gloves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistgrip View Post
    I feel the same as you, although I'm kind of a germy fobe when it comes to food prep , I like to see when the cooks wear gloves.
    Pizza baby!
    Cooked at 450 degrees.

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    I had just the opposite experience over the weekend. I went with the wife to one of the Target stores in Appleton for some cleaning supplies and household stuff. She wears a mask when she goes out, I don't, odd couple I guess.

    All staff were in masks going about their business, I'm assuming it's policy for all employees. Probably half of the customers were masked also. The thing that I noticed was it was eerily quiet for a store of that size. Maybe because it's difficult to talk and be heard with a mask but the quietness of it all made me take notice. No music in the background, no talking, very odd.

    On the way home we stopped at one of our local pizza restaurants. Had to do the Take Out, no dining room service. Was told that "some of our staff is afraid to come back to work" so they're working through some logistics, hiring new waitstaff, etc.

    The good news is that I can get a haircut today for the first time since February. I'm looking a bit like Forrest Gump on his long distance run...


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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    Not going to name where but went out to a bar for a drink and dinner for the first time in 2 months since this virus shuttered everything, I will admit was a little apprehensive about going because I will not wear a mask, sit in a plexiglass stall or a plastic tent, I can deal with social distancing but not social separation, kind of defeats the purpose of going out IMO. I would also prefer to not be served by someone wearing a mask and gloves. The county we live in has instilled their own "safer at home orders" yet noticed a very small amount of bars were open for business, We called one of our favorites for atmosphere and food and they were open, so we went. Got there walked in and to my surprise, and my approval, NO masks, NO plexiglass walls, NO plastic sheets. some people sitting next to each other at bar with a bar stool separating groups of 2 or 3, There was 2 stools open next to one couple, going to bar I would rather sit at bar so I asked the couple if they wanted to keep distanced or if they minded if we sat there and they said by all means sit. the bar tender... no mask..no gloves, food server... no mask...no gloves, cook you could see through door... no mask...no gloves. So what happened to new normal? I DONT CARE!! it was so nice to get out and once again FEEL NORMAL!! and hopefully they will continue this way! and guess what? Nobody was complaining, acting like a germaphobe, sanitizing every single thing someone did, I like the old normal and this place definitely made it feel that way! Again thank god there are level headed, non fear mongering people still out there.
    Weather was beautiful on Saturday.....drove past a western Racine Co. bar around 2:30 PM that was overflowing out onto the back patio. Could see a couple picnic tables that were butt to butt full with patrons....LOL
    From my last 8 weeks of retail work experience and now seeing ppl at bars and restaurants pretty much scoffing at this plannedemic, I am feeling a restored faith in my neighbors seeing through the sham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gary_in_neenah View Post
    I had just the opposite experience over the weekend. I went with the wife to one of the Target stores in Appleton for some cleaning supplies and household stuff. She wears a mask when she goes out, I don't, odd couple I guess.

    All staff were in masks going about their business, I'm assuming it's policy for all employees. Probably half of the customers were masked also. The thing that I noticed was it was eerily quiet for a store of that size. Maybe because it's difficult to talk and be heard with a mask but the quietness of it all made me take notice. No music in the background, no talking, very odd.

    On the way home we stopped at one of our local pizza restaurants. Had to do the Take Out, no dining room service. Was told that "some of our staff is afraid to come back to work" so they're working through some logistics, hiring new waitstaff, etc.

    The good news is that I can get a haircut today for the first time since February. I'm looking a bit like Forrest Gump on his long distance run...

    There is a video out there with a guy walking into a target store without a mask and video rolling. He was shown pretty much being assaulted by a 1/2 dozen masked male employees.

    EFF Target.

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    While I do understand both sides of the argument and really do wish to get back to "normal," it has not been very nice for all those families and friends who have lost loved ones to this disease, Me, the deaths don't scare me, it how contagious it is. JMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by gary_in_neenah View Post
    All staff were in masks going about their business, I'm assuming it's policy for all employees. Probably half of the customers were masked also. The thing that I noticed was it was eerily quiet for a store of that size. Maybe because it's difficult to talk and be heard with a mask but the quietness of it all made me take notice. No music in the background, no talking, very odd.
    I've noticed more and more people are looking at other people less and less while moving through the stores - Is there something I've missed, can looking at another person transmit the virus?

    The personal interactions between people have changed so much its crazy.

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    I sure hope that all the "new" experts are right. Time will give us answers. We keep learning a little more each day.

    It would be hard to find someone that doesn't want to go back to "normal".
    Jumping right back on to that ship will give us statistical data. We will see more people die, but we will have an accelerated learning curve. It is not a fun way to learn, but it is the boat we are sailing.

    Things will certainly be different as we get through this and figure out what does work. Does that mean a new normal? Yes. Maybe not for reasons that we can see right now. There are already a lot of places that will never relight their "open" signs. That one simple fact means less choices. That is already going to be a big part of the new normal. I hate it, but I have to get used to that reality. Will the remaining businesses look different? It is hard to say for sure. We are still living in the test tube phase.

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    From what I can tell, half of us are scared.
    And the other half thinks they're nuts for being scared!

    Can you be half nuts and half scared? Just asking for a friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gary_in_neenah View Post
    From what I can tell, half of us are scared.
    And the other half thinks they're nuts for being scared!

    Can you be half nuts and half scared? Just asking for a friend.
    Welcome to America, you can be whatever you want to be. Crazy, scared, weird, obnoxious, loud, smart, quiet. Isn't that the whole purpose of this country. So if someone wants to get back to normal by dipping their toe in the social pool instead of doing a cannonball they can. If they want to stay at home they can do that to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkHardPlayHrd View Post
    Welcome to America, you can be whatever you want to be. Crazy, scared, weird, obnoxious, loud, smart, quiet. Isn't that the whole purpose of this country. So if someone wants to get back to normal by dipping their toe in the social pool instead of doing a cannonball they can. If they want to stay at home they can do that to.
    well said and on that thought this how this whole thing should have been handled from beginning....well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    well said and on that thought this how this whole thing should have been handled from beginning....well said
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcr440 View Post
    I've noticed more and more people are looking at other people less and less while moving through the stores - Is there something I've missed, can looking at another person transmit the virus?

    The personal interactions between people have changed so much its crazy.
    What you might be missing is that with a mask on, you can not read a persons face. It may sound weird ,but we all read each others facial expressions into nanoseconds at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistgrip View Post
    I like to see when the cooks wear gloves.
    I'm in the restaurant business and gloves don't do anything other than give people of false sense of security and "stuff" actually sticks to them more than bare hands. Staff wearing gloves think they don't have to wash hands as often, etc. When you are familiar with cross contamination (and I'm not an expert, just trained in food safety) you will see that hands washed regularly is better hygiene than wearing gloves.

    Be more concerned about the cleanliness of the restaurant in the dining room. If that's good then there's a good chance the kitchen is too. If the dining room is messy then the kitchen is definitely messed up. That's where you should be concerned if you are a germaphobe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfattack View Post
    I'm in the restaurant business and gloves don't do anything other than give people of false sense of security and "stuff" actually sticks to them more than bare hands. Staff wearing gloves think they don't have to wash hands as often, etc. When you are familiar with cross contamination (and I'm not an expert, just trained in food safety) you will see that hands washed regularly is better hygiene than wearing gloves.

    Be more concerned about the cleanliness of the restaurant in the dining room. If that's good then there's a good chance the kitchen is too. If the dining room is messy then the kitchen is definitely messed up. That's where you should be concerned if you are a germaphobe.
    Thanks for the insight!

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