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    Covid cases rising on 1st wave has me thinking of forecasted Fall/Winter 2nd wave and snowmobiling. Restaurants and eateries including indoor dinning of fast food is still closed in the Milwaukee Metropolitan area. What dinning is available in the Wi Northwoods and the UPMI? We need you for a successful snowmobile season!

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    Around Vilas it's hit and miss. Some places are back to normal,some are carryout and outdoor eating,and there are others who still have not opened up.

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    Put a hotdogger on yer exhust pipe and let her rip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermie View Post
    Around Vilas it's hit and miss. Some places are back to normal,some are carryout and outdoor eating,and there are others who still have not opened up.
    Thanks I was hoping for better but what I expected.

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    Put a hotdogger on yer exhust pipe and let her rip.
    Need pit stops on big mile trips...sure could munch on jerky but was hoping for drink , burger socialize with riding buddies for at least 1 meal mid dayish then ride another 125 or more to next stop.

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    Couple trail beers than.

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    Looks like I might be eating a lot of these and coffee or water.pe.jpg

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    In between bites remember to put your mask on.
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    So starting Monday you need to wear a mask inside Starbucks. Tell me, how does one drink coffee while wearing a mask. Just asking for a friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylar View Post
    Awww, look who is back, cute.

    I had a really snarky reply all keyed up and everything but decided why get myself a time-out...so I let it go...

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    Here are places that I have eaten at so far this summer:

    Murtaughs Pub all u can eat fish fry in Minocqua
    Pizza Ranch buffet in Rhinelander
    Perkins in Minocqua (limited menu)
    Buffet at Lake of Torches Casino

    Buffets are served to you by servers. All chinese restaurants have take out as well in Mincoqua.

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    For sledding purposes we still have 5 months to go before go time. Hopefully this is all just a memory by then.

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    I have been worrying about this also. Was in the U.P. at the end of march riding and it sucked not being able to go in bars /restaurants to eat or drink. I hope this crap is over with before the snow flys!!

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    Had not considered this aspect of potential impact it could have on riding. Yeah, you can carry eats... But sure is nice to get out of the elements for a bit and have a warm meal!!! Unfortunately I think in 5 months we will still be dealing with this in one way or another. Hopefully our trail stops are open, but can you imagine if they have to operate at 50% capacity? That could get interesting real quick when 75+ riders show up to your door and want in!!!!

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    Means that if they are still at 50% capacity weekends will be be a bear, and early week riding will be the cats meow.

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    I had a really snarky reply all keyed up and everything but decided why get myself a time-out...so I let it go...
    Me to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by High Country View Post
    I have been worrying about this also. Was in the U.P. at the end of march riding and it sucked not being able to go in bars /restaurants to eat or drink. I hope this crap is over with before the snow flys!!
    I was wondering if I was the only one with this concern? It is a big deal to have an eatery to take a break , have meal and drink , check on everyone to see if the trip plan holds up? Always many alternative routes and good to hear your buds opinions regarding the rest of the ride. It would be awful to lose some of our most enjoyable pit stops.

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    I brought this up a few months ago. One of my favorite stops in N MN already closed, another said they were die-hards, and will be there next winter no matter what. I had them charge $50 on my card, and told them to spend it on themselves. There are a dozen or more places I like to count on, so it would be pretty hard to help everyone out like that. Its not much, but I thought I would do what I can to help out since I rarely make the trip in the summer months.

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    When this is all done there will be less restaurants all over. I read somewhere that 2 in 5 will never re-open. It is a tough business to begin with. Places are designed with square foot and seating capacity all part of the equation. These places are already built and to operate at 50% doesn't cut it. Take out and pick up orders generate no tips. Bars also need to be full to make money. For years bars and grills have been dreaming up ways to get more people in to their establishments. Social distancing and everything that goes with it is contrary to bars and grills. Big or small. If they owe money on them they are likely history.

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    I was curious too how the season will be with stops, especially with the way things are trending and how the so called "experts" are trying to scare the daylights out of everyone once again, plus we will be in the "flu" season at that time and curious how the world will react then. But first and foremost my concern is not about the stops but the people who have their livelihood behind them their make or break season is just as short as ours, hopefully the world will come to their senses and as grub put it "will all just be a memory then" First besides the covid we have to get through November and depending on which way that goes, things could get much worse. But I hope for the operators and owners of all our favorite stops that they are and will be here to stay.

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    Blinking Bonnie's was closed when drove past tonight. Spang's is doing carry out only. Waiting for our pizza now. Lol

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    Are hotels and lodges going to be allowed to be open at full capacity? could potentially see this being an issue as well....possibly?

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    I think they have been closed for some time. My take------too small, 50% capacity is like 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    Are hotels and lodges going to be allowed to be open at full capacity? could potentially see this being an issue as well....possibly?
    It will be interesting to see what is "allowed" - personally, I say just let any business decide for themselves, but what ever at this point.

    The hotel in N MN I stay at most frequently because of its central location to many trails is still operating at full capacity, so hopefully that continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    For sledding purposes we still have 5 months to go before go time. Hopefully this is all just a memory by then.
    I predict it ends in November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    I predict it ends in November.
    Lets hope, but...it could go away...or get worse, we'll see. 5 months? UUUUGH!! thanks for the reminder

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    Are hotels and lodges going to be allowed to be open at full capacity? could potentially see this being an issue as well....possibly?
    We've stayed at hotels about 15-20 nights since this started in various states. None have had any capacity restrictions for rooms. Some had pools open, some closed. Buffet breakfast weren't open. Go down and get a bag with muffins and bananas, etc. Hotel restaurants were open with distancing.

    Though have not stayed in MI.

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    Talked to a businessman in Eagle River today. Said most local residents holing up don’t want contact with summer folks will wait them out. I was afraid of this reaction and with liberal unemployment compensation no motivation to go back to work as well so no one available to work small business. UGH ...this is all getting long in the tooth and I sure hope it changes come Fall and Winter because the Northwoods has white gold and it would be a shame to waste it.

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    Hate to say it but if things dont open up we wont be coming up on any of our trips (3 planned as of now), hopefully things get back to normal after the election no matter who wins. And just a little info, 2 local people had appointments for a COVID test, neither one went, both got letters 3 days later saying they tested positive. I dont really care what side of the isle you're on, thats messed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hudson056 View Post
    Hate to say it but if things dont open up we wont be coming up on any of our trips (3 planned as of now), hopefully things get back to normal after the election no matter who wins. And just a little info, 2 local people had appointments for a COVID test, neither one went, both got letters 3 days later saying they tested positive. I dont really care what side of the isle you're on, thats messed up.
    Agreed!! has gone way too far!! Just hope this doesn't take its toll on the Northwoods white gold season, doubt many could survive, fingers crossed for them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hudson056 View Post
    Hate to say it but if things dont open up we wont be coming up on any of our trips (3 planned as of now), hopefully things get back to normal after the election no matter who wins. And just a little info, 2 local people had appointments for a COVID test, neither one went, both got letters 3 days later saying they tested positive. I dont really care what side of the isle you're on, thats messed up.
    Yep wifes cousin called in with symptoms and they told her to come get tested. She never went. Got a call 2 days later that her test came back positive... When she told them she never got tested they hung up on her. WTHe double hockey sticks is going on here?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimcake View Post
    Yep wifes cousin called in with symptoms and they told her to come get tested. She never went. Got a call 2 days later that her test came back positive... When she told them she never got tested they hung up on her. WTHe double hockey sticks is going on here?????
    I can add to this list. My moms friend went in for a test just this past Monday, filled out some paper work and looked at the line and said forget it. Next day she gets a call, you guessed it, she's positive!! Never swabbed or anything.

    To those who got positive results for tests that were never performed, be sure you call the clinic or where ever and get that erased. If you don't, and you need to actually go in for something else, you WILL get put with the Covid patients, because you now have a positive test on your chart.

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    So tempting to get political again. But I'm not going to do it. Not hard for anyone with a brain to see what is going on.

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    Or without one...


    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    So tempting to get political again. But I'm not going to do it. Not hard for anyone with a brain to see what is going on.

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    like the riots not being about race the reaction to the virus is no longer about the virus. This is messed up and not going to get better before the election. This is political and much bigger than most of us even realize. I hope I'm wrong but this is going to come to a head soon, in fact I'm surprised it hasn't already. Maybe the re-opening process delayed it but if more Shutdown 2.0 starts happening beyond the left coast the unfortunate but necessary response will happen. Can't get much more into that due to the "no political" comments.

    I'm really concerned about this country. I want to be able to be talking about sled chit chat but it's hard with this going on.

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    The average democracy historically lasts on average 200 years. Ours has lasted 44 years past that average. Also most democracy s are destroyed from within. It is pretty obvious that our electoral process no longer functions given our last decade or so of selections. Interesting times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    Agreed!! has gone way too far!! Just hope this doesn't take its toll on the Northwoods white gold season, doubt many could survive, fingers crossed for them!
    I honestly don't think it will. I have spent a lot of time in the Northwoods this Spring/Summer and all of my favorites have been open. Its not 100% the same but it sure beats whats going on in IL.

    I'm also not seeing what Whitedust mentioned about the locals wanting to wait out the summer folks. Maybe the above 60 crowd......

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    I also have been in northern wi many times during this, and the ones that are closed are done for good. Ones that are open seem to be just making ends meet. If it continues at this pace, or gets worse, I think there will be a second wave of closings. Bars and restaurants have people in them, just not the summer crowd you normally see.

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    Bug bar was/is closed I heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle1 View Post
    Bug bar was/is closed I heard.
    They are opening back up again on tbe 22nd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle1 View Post
    Bug bar was/is closed I heard.
    They got hit with the covid. They are reopening July 22nd (See Facebook)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    They got hit with the covid. They are reopening July 22nd (See Facebook)
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    Lmfao. They didn't get "hit" with the covid. ONE person who tested positive visited there. The owners didn't get covid, the employees didn't get covid, I was there during the same time frame, and I didn't get covid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylar View Post
    Lmfao. They didn't get "hit" with the covid. ONE person who tested positive visited there. The owners didn't get covid, the employees didn't get covid, I was there during the same time frame, and I didn't get covid.
    More of Midwest players b.s. and end of the world propaganda.

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    Ya I typed up a long post about how bs the mp was talking about and then deleted it. Most of us here can see the forest for the tree...

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    People that have tested positive and have recovered should turn the tracking function off on there fone so the government cant follow them around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garageguy View Post
    People that have tested positive and have recovered should turn the tracking function off on there fone so the government cant follow them around.
    This tracking/tracing thing is a bunch of BS and I agree...turn off the tracking function! if you are a business owner and someone who tests positive lists you as a place they visited while they were infected, you could be getting a knock at your door to shutter, to me that's just a over step of power and you have to also hope the person tracing their steps is honest as well, wrong just wrong. On another note in a certain county north of here casino is permanently laying off 1000 workers, in a state that has a total of less than a 1000 deaths.... TOTAL!! yep....this was definitely a GOOD IDEA!!

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    I went to the walk in clinic for somthing totally unrelated to covid. The first thing they wanted to know was my phone number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoosier View Post
    i predict it ends in november.
    yes it will

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    I just got my MSA magazine and they are saying they are not releasing trail fund money so no work is being done on the trails. If that is still going on in the winter I am guessing the clubs won't have money for doing any trail work or grooming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermie View Post
    I just got my MSA magazine and they are saying they are not releasing trail fund money so no work is being done on the trails. If that is still going on in the winter I am guessing the clubs won't have money for doing any trail work or grooming.
    That’s bad no funds to repair bridges and level trails. MSA will have to allocate funds for brushing or they are writing us off this season.

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    MISORVA (was MSA) has no control of the funds. Hermie is referring to the MI DNR who is not releasing funds for maintenance or grading.

    This is due to the Gov ordering all Govt departments they must freeze discretionary spending. Currently impacting the ORV program. We were not allowed to do any ORV trail maintenance or grading, even though the funds are from the ORV stickers, that are in a protected fund, with a balance, with contracts already in place.
    DNR Trail staff have been fighting to get those funds released and have been partially successful now. We were able to brush and sign in June (2 months after normal), can do the second pass this summer and just in the last couple of days we've been allowed to start limited grading (our Club was approved for 1/3 of our contracted grading mileage). We are skeptical that all normally allocated funds will be allowed for expenditure to the ORV program.

    The Snowmobile program has already been directly impacted, but will be worse if we don't keep pushing DNR to allow us to run the program as per normal. We are coming into paperwork season and soon will be brushing/signing. Major projects (ie bridges) are generally on hold right now.

    While it's good for the Gov to say, "hey, we shot ourselves in the foot with this covid thing and so have no economy to bring in tax dollars, so let's not spend money unless we have to", it's bad for them to say "and don't spend any of that protected by law, user-generated, already contracted, program funding that makes for safe trails".

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    Quote Originally Posted by katden4 View Post
    I also have been in northern wi many times during this, and the ones that are closed are done for good. Ones that are open seem to be just making ends meet. If it continues at this pace, or gets worse, I think there will be a second wave of closings. Bars and restaurants have people in them, just not the summer crowd you normally see.
    My feeling is the ones that closed just gave up and were likely on the way to closing anyways. I know several that are actually doing better then normal as Wisconsin is befitting from surrounding states not opening. Basically Wisconsin has been flooded with a lot of IL, IA, MN people who can now work from the cabin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    I predict it ends in November.
    Quote Originally Posted by byr 13 View Post
    yes it will
    Or at least on Wednesday, January 20, 2021!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frnash View Post
    Or at least on Wednesday, January 20, 2021!
    Ah, the date donkeys fly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Ah, the date donkeys fly.
    Quite instigating. You only come on here to cause distention. I doubt that it bothers you one bit that the sport that 99.99% of us on this board love will be negatively impacted by all this. Which means it also doesn't bother you about all the small business that we help support are also being hurt. They are good people just trying to live out their own dreams. Wish I had a fly swatter that worked on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermie View Post
    I just got my MSA magazine and they are saying they are not releasing trail fund money so no work is being done on the trails. If that is still going on in the winter I am guessing the clubs won't have money for doing any trail work or grooming.
    Besides the obvious answer... "because they can" How can they do that?? are they looking ahead and not going to release the money in fear of the lack of migration or participation in the sport this season because of the fear mongering that is already occurring , scaring people about a time of the season isn't even here yet? if they aren't going to release it how can they collect it? I just don't get it and they could inevitably be sealing the fate of a very short profitable season for the north woods. This just falls again into the "I just don't get it" of these "unprecedented" times. What a crock of sh

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    Cases are still rising because of a massive increase in testing. Deaths have been dropping for months, and are currently the lowest since April. See for yourself: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamageInc View Post
    Cases are still rising because of a massive increase in testing. Deaths have been dropping for months, and are currently the lowest since April. See for yourself: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
    I know this will be off subject but oh well...another 1.3 million people applied for unemployment pushing the total number over 50 MILLION many of which have YET to get a single check yet. Got word today our wonderful public school district ig going virtual!! REALLY??? when all the outlying rural areas are having in person!! My wife and I both work at our business and both of us NEED to be here so how are we supposed to home school??? and we are going to issue another stimulus package???? anybody working....shouldn't get it, anyone already supported buy the state, welfare, food stamps etc shouldn't get it, anyone on unemployment that is receiving the $963.00/week...shouldn't get it, How about helping those who haven't received any unemployment, or those that lost their livelihood and were forced to try to start over, or helping the farmers who have been taking it in the rear. This whole thing has become such a crock of crap. I told the local law enforcement to get some more ticket pads because as soon as our idiot gov mandates masks, im sorry Im not wearing it. Most of the people that are testing positive are "A" symptomatic, and you done hear about the record amount of negative tests. City of racine one of hardest hit areas and have "1" person in the ICU. And for those that once thought this was the right thing to do and now changed opinion because it is putting cramp on lifestyle... THIS IS NO BETTER IDEA THAN IT WAS THEN!! WHAT A JOKE!!! people need to start standing up, not to MAGA (make America great again) but MAKE AMERICA....AMERICA AGAIN!!!! This has gone beyond stupid!!!

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    The place I work at is hurting bigvtime. We've been on 32-36 hour work weeks since April. Two people on my team are gone permanently, the rest of us have doing voluntary lay offs. I took my turn, even though I'm the supervisor, for a month. Now that the 600 bucks is done, no one can afford to be on lay off. We do not have enough work for 8 of us.

    I work in the crap hole of Dane county, I am now forced to wear a mask for my 9 hours. Everyday I go home with a heada headache now. ***. Screw your mask!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylar View Post
    The place I work at is hurting bigvtime. We've been on 32-36 hour work weeks since April. Two people on my team are gone permanently, the rest of us have doing voluntary lay offs. I took my turn, even though I'm the supervisor, for a month. Now that the 600 bucks is done, no one can afford to be on lay off. We do not have enough work for 8 of us.

    I work in the crap hole of Dane county, I am now forced to wear a mask for my 9 hours. Everyday I go home with a heada headache now. ***. Screw your mask!
    Skylar, these are the people who should be getting the stimulus and the help, I am very sorry to hear that things are that way, it angers me beyond belief, it is very frustrating that we are destroying our country and we still haven't seen all the effects of what we did and are continuing to do and I hear you about masks, waiting for them to mandate them here as I will refuse to wear it, I would probably need 3 or 4 a day at my shop, I don't care, not that I don't care about other people but I want to be exposed to whatever it may be, its my choice, if you are afraid to go out or get sick then YOU stay home and when or if they come out with a vaccine, Im not getting it, its MY choice. I am truly sorry to hear this about you and your work place, hopefully we will get our head out of our asses SOON and fix this before its too late.

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    In MN the "mandate" states "face mask or shield" so I picked up one of the last grinders shields FF had and stuck a few American flags on it - no BS piece of cotton over my nose and mouth.

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    Ya we have been asked about masking up here at our store. All I am telling people is Timmy boy Walz can come on down here and try to force me to mask up. There are 2 active cases in my county. Such total B S!!! This is so blantantly political it just drives me nuts. Gals at convience store today as I was stocking up asked me if I was having a party. I said no I just won't be coming in here with that stupid MN mask mandate. They said don't worry about it no one is enforcing it. Good. Just another reason i am glad I live where I live!! Screw you Walz and your mandates. We are watching our country crumble from within. We can't let the snowflakes win!!!

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    Oh and Skyler for whatever its worth I am looking to hire some help! You don't have to be crazy to work here we can train you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylar View Post
    The place I work at is hurting bigvtime. We've been on 32-36 hour work weeks since April. Two people on my team are gone permanently, the rest of us have doing voluntary lay offs. I took my turn, even though I'm the supervisor, for a month. Now that the 600 bucks is done, no one can afford to be on lay off. We do not have enough work for 8 of us.

    I work in the crap hole of Dane county, I am now forced to wear a mask for my 9 hours. Everyday I go home with a heada headache now. ***. Screw your mask!
    I understand how you feel. It all feels like our lives and futures crumbling away.

    At the same time it is a worldwide fact that masks, washing our hands a lot and keeping six feet, or more, away from others stops the spread of covid-19.

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    How long do you think mask mandates would last if a good number of people wore MAGA masks?

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    When it comes to the farming side I would be happy if we had actually gotten the $22.00 class lll milk price we were supposed to get for June. Got final settlement and the base for us was $18.00 per hundredweight. What that means is our 100 cow dairy at average production lost $13,000 that went up in smoke in one month. Another creamery paid $17.00, and another one was $16.35. We are supposed to be around $24 for July and I'm terrified to see what they give us. There has never been this much discrepancy. My husband went from yelling at me for locking in the government margins program for 5 years to thanking God I did it. BTW I would rather not get one cent from Uncle Sam. Locked in 30% of our 2020 corn crop in February at 3.51 a bushel and now wished I'd have done 70%.

    My son has classmates who graduated with him that had part time jobs that are getting that extra unemployment. They said don't you wish you had had an off farm job in school. He says no, all you are doing is hurting our future as a country. His graduation ceremony will be in the morning, with enough rules to make your head spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsledder View Post
    How long do you think mask mandates would last if a good number of people wore MAGA masks?
    But, can you get the individual's who are the most opposed to masks to wear them as a political statement?

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    100% virtual learning for local unified school district until Nov 6th when it will be revisited again, Hmmmmm right after the election when either things will go away or get MUCH worse, how convenient!

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    with 330 million people in US , not many deaths

    it's a shame dems are trying to ruin our country :-(

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    Repercussions of the shutdown are starting to snowball as new building contracts were cancelled and current contracts are being finished with no new jobs. I don’t think any of this is short term we are doomed to a slow recovery and with Covid increasing slowing the pace. It was a huge mistake to shut down for months bringing general business to a dead stop. 2 week shutdown would have been enough. We can’t and won’t turn the corner until there are vaccines available. Sucks but that’s the science of herd immunity and pandemics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    100% virtual learning for local unified school district until Nov 6th when it will be revisited again, Hmmmmm right after the election when either things will go away or get MUCH worse, how convenient!
    Are you serious? They actually gave that date? How obvious is that? Our district gave us the choice and are kids want to go and are definitely going! I am self employed and my wife has a great job that carries the insurance, so i would be the one forced to stay home. People that want to temporarily watch kids to make some money will be the only ones benefiting. All these day cares that remained open and even took on more kids had very little issues. Teachers are essential.

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    Yep, it's not going away. I have a buddy that is pretty much driving himself nuts over the whole deal. He has some health conditions, but is still going overboard. He stopped by one time since this happened to BS, he brought a 6 pack of his own and would not even sit in a lawn chair over fear that i might have touched it before he came. He sat on a retaining wall 10 feet away from me lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcr440 View Post
    In MN the "mandate" states "face mask or shield" so I picked up one of the last grinders shields FF had and stuck a few American flags on it - no BS piece of cotton over my nose and mouth.
    I knew I had saved my old Polaris Wedge helmet for a reason. When it cools down a little I will be wearing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunk06 View Post
    Are you serious? They actually gave that date? How obvious is that? Our district gave us the choice and are kids want to go and are definitely going! I am self employed and my wife has a great job that carries the insurance, so i would be the one forced to stay home. People that want to temporarily watch kids to make some money will be the only ones benefiting. All these day cares that remained open and even took on more kids had very little issues. Teachers are essential.
    Our kids want to go back, but right now the school is looking at 3 scenarios.

    First, all virtual.

    Second, all back in school with full facemasks.

    Third, and right now the most likely. Elementary goes back full time. Middle and High school who share a building will have their grades get split. Week one the first group will have in school MWF and the next week Tuesday Thursday they will go into school. Opposite days will be virtual. The middle and high school share the same building. The district feels the elementary students are just not handling at home well at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedust View Post
    Repercussions of the shutdown are starting to snowball as new building contracts were cancelled and current contracts are being finished with no new jobs. I donít think any of this is short term we are doomed to a slow recovery and with Covid increasing slowing the pace. It was a huge mistake to shut down for months bringing general business to a dead stop. 2 week shutdown would have been enough. We canít and wonít turn the corner until there are vaccines available. Sucks but thatís the science of herd immunity and pandemics.
    We have already "turned the corner". Click the link I posted and look at the weekly death totals. The increase in cases is only due to increased testing, or else death totals would have risen with the increase in cases.

    It could potentially get worse in the fall/winter, since viruses are more transmissible in drier air and our immune systems are stronger in summer, but I doubt it will.

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    We got this thing solved....all kids will be back in school this fall with protective equipment worn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamageInc View Post
    We have already "turned the corner". Click the link I posted and look at the weekly death totals. The increase in cases is only due to increased testing, or else death totals would have risen with the increase in cases.

    It could potentially get worse in the fall/winter, since viruses are more transmissible in drier air and our immune systems are stronger in summer, but I doubt it will.
    Percentage of death is down due to more effective treatments. Medical science is finding better treatments everyday and will continue to do so even if the infection rate increases. Economically the damage is continuing and recent calls for a National Shutdown are insane imo. We have to move on with Covid as a circumstance of life as usual. If someone is not willing to take the risk of infection of Covid stay home be a shut in. It’s should be a personal choice not a mandate and do what suits you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedust View Post
    Percentage of death is down due to more effective treatments. Medical science is finding better treatments everyday and will continue to do so even if the infection rate increases. Economically the damage is continuing and recent calls for a National Shutdown are insane imo. We have to move on with Covid as a circumstance of life as usual. If someone is not willing to take the risk of infection of Covid stay home be a shut in. It’s should be a personal choice not a mandate and do what suits you.
    That's only a minor factor; we still don't have effective treatment for the people it hits the hardest (those with pre-existing conditions). Deaths are down primarily because most people have already been exposed to the virus, and it's running out of victims.

    But yeah, increased shutdown is insane. It's politically motivated, and the guilty politicians don't care how many people have their lives destroyed by it.

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    Can somebody tell my why when they do a covid test they use a big long stick that goes way up your nose and then further still. But we have to wear masks so 'droplets' don't get on anybody and make them sick. How come we can't just spit on their stick if this is so highly contagious? I don't quite follow this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    Can somebody tell my why when they do a covid test they use a big long stick that goes way up your nose and then further still. But we have to wear masks so 'droplets' don't get on anybody and make them sick. How come we can't just spit on their stick if this is so highly contagious? I don't quite follow this.
    The nasal swab is basically more accurate. Saliva sample isn't concentrated enough for a good sample. They are trying to make a sensitive enough test with saliva, but aren't there yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcr440 View Post
    The Land of the FREE and the Home of the BRAVE.

    I’m not sure how free we are anymore, but we sure as heck aren’t very brave. Credit: Lou Holtz
    We were never really free. Society demands rules in order to function. You know I would like to drive my car right down the center line of the road, but for our transportation network to function we must have rules of the road. Freedom doesn't mean yelling "fire" in a crowded building. Nobody gives a second thought about having to wear clothes, but it would be a lot safer to run around naked than not wearing a mask.

    There should be nothing political about wearing a mask, but our President made it a political issue. Yeah, tough folks don't wear a mask, be brave. It is a disgrace how the United States can't get this under control when other countries like the European Union have done very well in taming the beast.

    Here are a few facts. They are not meant to be political. By the middle of June the U.P. pretty much had low covid numbers. Maybe just one case per day for the entire U.P. On June 25th President Trump made a visit to the U.P. at Marinette and Menominee and there were over a 1,000 folks lining the streets to watch the motorcade most without masks. Exactly two weeks later covid cases exploded in Menominee County. Right now on a case per 100,000 of population Menominee County has over 300 cases, the highest in the entire U.P.

    Okay, I know what you are going to say. "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post...go_propter_hoc
    Okay I can't prove this was the cause, but you can't prove it wasn't. However, I do believe the huge number of summer tourists is the main cause of the spike in covid cases in the U.P.

    I'm glad our Governor made masks mandatory in MI and maybe we can still turn this around so our kids can go back to school in a month. Don't bother coming to the U.P. if you don't have any intention to obey our laws.
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    This thread never was intended to be political regarding wearing a mask and blame anyone or political party for Covid spread. Mods feel free to delete I can always restart a similar thread in the future. It’s going to be difficult to avoid political slants in an election year but Midwest Player takes us down political Main Street with every post. It’s unfortunate and disruptive to Snow Central and MP will probably never stop even after the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedust View Post
    This thread never was intended to be political regarding wearing a mask and blame anyone or political party for Covid spread. Mods feel free to delete I can always restart a similar thread in the future. It’s going to be difficult to avoid political slants in an election year but Midwest Player takes us down political Main Street with every post. It’s unfortunate and disruptive to Snow Central and MP will probably never stop even after the election.
    X2 I would like to know if there have been any posts by MP that are not politically slanted. Nor have I seen any love of snowmobiling. The primary purpose of this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkHardPlayHrd View Post
    X2 I would like to know if there have been any posts by MP that are not politically slanted. Nor have I seen any love of snowmobiling. The primary purpose of this site.
    He hates snowmobilers, and is only here to stir up trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunk06 View Post
    Are you serious? They actually gave that date? How obvious is that? Our district gave us the choice and are kids want to go and are definitely going! I am self employed and my wife has a great job that carries the insurance, so i would be the one forced to stay home. People that want to temporarily watch kids to make some money will be the only ones benefiting. All these day cares that remained open and even took on more kids had very little issues. Teachers are essential.
    Is is also probably the last day of the first quarter and the district is trying to take it 1 quarter at a time, and make changes then to keep some consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post

    It is a disgrace how the United States can't get this under control when other countries like to European Union have done very well in taming the beast.
    Despite the US having about 330 million people and the EU having about 446 million (35% more people in EU), the EU has had 5 times as many COVID deaths as the USA! There have allegedly been 132,000 COVID deaths in USA (probably exaggerated greatly), and 645,000 COVID deaths in the EU!

    And we do have it under control. deaths per week.JPG https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

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    Is MP anomoose (sp?) or booondocker reincarnated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    We were never really free. Society demands rules in order to function. You know I would like to drive my car right down the center line of the road, but for our transportation network to function we must have rules of the road. Freedom doesn't mean yelling "fire" in a crowded building. Nobody gives a second thought about having to wear clothes, but it would be a lot safer to run around naked than not wearing a mask.

    There should be nothing political about wearing a mask, but our President made it a political issue. Yeah, tough folks don't wear a mask, be brave. It is a disgrace how the United States can't get this under control when other countries like to European Union have done very well in taming the beast.

    Here are a few facts. There are not meant to be political. By the middle of June the U.P. pretty much had low covid numbers. Maybe just one case per day for the entire U.P. On June 25th President Trump made a visit to the U.P. at Marinette and Menominee and there were over a 1,000 folks lining the streets to watch the motorcade most without masks. Exactly two weeks later covid cases exploded in Menominee County. Right now on a case per 100,000 of population Menominee County has over 300 cases, the highest in the entire U.P.

    Okay, I know what you are going to say. "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post...go_propter_hoc
    Okay I can't prove this was the cause, but you can't prove it wasn't. However, I do believe the huge number of summer tourists is the main cause of the spike in covid cases in the U.P.

    I'm glad our Governor made masks mandatory in MI and maybe we can still turn this around so our kids can go back to school in a month. Don't bother coming to the U.P. if you don't have any intention to obey our laws.
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    I was in n. WI and the U P the past 10 days.
    no one local is concerned. no one wearing masks except ppl from big cities at the WI waysides.....it was comical.....80% mask wearers in the northbound piss stops and 2% in the southbound piss stops

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    It has been noted that there is a "spike" in coronavirus cases in Texas and southern states.

    This is due to increased testing.

    If they increased the number of IQ tests that were given there would be an increase in idiots.

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    Seems like many business owners I talked to have reduced days or hours of business due to lack of employees wanting to lower their income by working instead of collecting the free money handouts by staying home... This was more at restaurants as the bars seem to collect more in cash and are still able to collect free money...

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    I work for a large food distributer and after hiring a research firm that told us we will be losing around 30% of our business and it wont be coming back for 5 yrs or more considering their findings we let go or laid off around 30% of our people to meet the new normal of demand so i am a little worried of the coming season.

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    Where was the explosion of cases surrounding grocery, home improvement and essential businesses that were open and have remained open since day one of this "pandemic"? why weren't they there? in my opinion...once we wear the mask...they will never come off, think about it, this is a "virus" name one we have complete control of even with a vaccine, viruses mutate. Im not comparing it to but the "flu" kills on average half a million people every year, with a vaccine and has done so for how many years and what have we done??? dealt with it! Once the masks go on I want someone to tell me when it will be a good time to take them off? what is that magical date? and if masks are "that effective" at "slowing or stopping" the spread, I guess we can begin to open everything up, right? the economic destruction can finally be stopped simply by wearing a mask, but that wont happen. For all of those pro-mask people out there, unless we come up with a 100% effective vaccine, Mandate that everyone get the injection and barring this thing doesn't mutate as the "covid" virus has done so many times before this, I ask you...once the mask goes on...when does it come off??? because I assure you unless those three things happen...its never going to go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saber1 View Post
    I work for a large food distributer and after hiring a research firm that told us we will be losing around 30% of our business and it wont be coming back for 5 yrs or more considering their findings we let go or laid off around 30% of our people to meet the new normal of demand so i am a little worried of the coming season.
    BECAUSE PPL WILL STOP EATING?....i THINK PPL ARE EATING MORE THAN EVER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Exactly two weeks later covid cases exploded in Menominee County. Right now on a case per 100,000 of population Menominee County has over 300 cases, the highest in the entire U.P.
    So .3% is "exploded" case counts?? That is absolutely laughable.

    Here in MN with a mask mandate, you walk in the door of a restaurant, and you have to have a mask on. Once your butt is in a chair, no mask required. LOL - That's really going to "SLOW" the spread. Get up to go to the bathroom? Put your mask back on.

    I'm hoping some of my favorite places to go during sledding season don't mind me setting my helmet on the bar or table I'm sitting at, because I will wear it to my seat before taking it off since that fits the mask "mandate" (Notice I didn't say LAW).

    Snowmobiling really is the perfect social distancing and face covering sport! Let's hope our Dip S**t "leaders" recognize that and don't put the kabash on trail maintenance and grooming this coming winter.

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    The company I work for makes a lot of cabinets and fixtures seating booths etc for restaurants. Chipotle, Culvers, Starbucks, Noodles, Panera Bread, Mod Pizza etc. EVERYONE put the brakes on for the rest of the year. Culvers has slowed way down, Mod Pizza pushed everything out till January, Starbucks is doing very little till October. We have two complete stores in house, finished, for Panera Bread, they paid us, then said throw it all in the dumpster. Chipotle however, is full steam ahead thankfully. All because of the shut down. The question is, will things go back to normal, and by normal, I mean people going IN to dine, or to socialize over coffee. I hope so my job depends on it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylar View Post
    The company I work for makes a lot of cabinets and fixtures seating booths etc for restaurants. Chipotle, Culvers, Starbucks, Noodles, Panera Bread, Mod Pizza etc. EVERYONE put the brakes on for the rest of the year. Culvers has slowed way down, Mod Pizza pushed everything out till January, Starbucks is doing very little till October. We have two complete stores in house, finished, for Panera Bread, they paid us, then said throw it all in the dumpster. Chipotle however, is full steam ahead thankfully. All because of the shut down. The question is, will things go back to normal, and by normal, I mean people going IN to dine, or to socialize over coffee. I hope so my job depends on it!
    This is why the economic destruction needs to stop, the trickle down effect of this has yet to wield its very ugly face and the longer this continues the deeper the cuts will be and the longer the duration and recovery will take, as a country we cannot afford this, then what? will we turn again to the very country where this all originated from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saber1 View Post
    I work for a large food distributer and after hiring a research firm that told us we will be losing around 30% of our business and it wont be coming back for 5 yrs or more considering their findings we let go or laid off around 30% of our people to meet the new normal of demand so i am a little worried of the coming season.
    Do you distribute to restaurants or grocery stores? There will be less restaurants. Far less Ma and Pa restaurants. Grocery retail is still strong.

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    I think they have to reach the brain cavity to see if there is anything in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    Do you distribute to restaurants or grocery stores? There will be less restaurants. Far less Ma and Pa restaurants. Grocery retail is still strong.
    Anyway we look at food distribution it comes back and bites the farmer big time. From cruise ships to ma and pas restaurant the farmer / rancher has less points of distribution. Sure it will recover but slowly months and years. I sure hope we don’t return to plowing crops under and culling herds. No profit in that at all.

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    I have a feeling that this will be less of an issue on November 4th. No matter who "wins".

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    Cops Should Ticket These Marchers

    None of them are wearing masks. No wonder the covid is exploding in the U.P.
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