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    Gov Idiot mandated masks for the state of Wisconsin starting Saturday!! and as I said before, if they are that effective I guess we can reopen everything and kids can go to school now because this will stop the spread. WHAT A JOKE

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    Whoa, wait a minute!! What about Fauci telling us we can catch it through the eyes now, are we going to need to go full face shield as well?? LOL

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    Yeah, I could see this coming. Can't go in anywhere without one now so not much of a change for me. But I think I'll pickup a pair of goggles from the Army Surplus store due to the Covid Survival rate is at 99.8%. Can't be too careful!

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    Well Folks, Socialism continues to entrench itself in our lives. What will be next? I myself will probably just avoid going anywhere that I don't have to until this ends. That is tragic because it is only causing all of our local business establishments to suffer great losses week after week with no end in sight. I truly cannot breath well through a mask so that will dictate where I go during this latest mandate.

    How we got to this world we live in for such low death rates, low infection rates for a flu like virus so quickly I'll never understand. I am soooo....... tired of hearing every hour of every day to wear a mask, wash your hands, stay at home, shelter in place. Can't we just give this a rest!

    I have always said, wear a mask if you want, I personally don't care what people do but for the people that don't wish to we have rights as well.

    All I can say is that we have an election coming up in about 3 months. Hope everyone understands what is on the line and that this election will have far reaching consequences.

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    Lots lots of loopholes...... unenforceable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pclark View Post
    Well Folks, Socialism continues to entrench itself in our lives. What will be next? I myself will probably just avoid going anywhere that I don't have to until this ends. That is tragic because it is only causing all of our local business establishments to suffer great losses week after week with no end in sight. I truly cannot breath well through a mask so that will dictate where I go during this latest mandate.

    How we got to this world we live in for such low death rates, low infection rates for a flu like virus so quickly I'll never understand. I am soooo....... tired of hearing every hour of every day to wear a mask, wash your hands, stay at home, shelter in place. Can't we just give this a rest!

    I have always said, wear a mask if you want, I personally don't care what people do but for the people that don't wish to we have rights as well.

    All I can say is that we have an election coming up in about 3 months. Hope everyone understands what is on the line and that this election will have far reaching consequences.
    AMEN to that!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle1 View Post
    Lots lots of loopholes...... unenforceable.
    Agree with you on that.

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    Was expecting it. Even good old farm n fleet was already requiring them.

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    Milwaukee has had an even stricter mask ordinance for a while now yet they continue to be the epicenter of positive cases in the state, and the other thing I don't understand is they are blaming much of the spread on bars, restaurants yet you can remove them when eating and drinking. I also thought I heard the mandate is effective through September 28th, here we go with that magical date once again. I must just be missing something here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pclark View Post
    Well Folks, Socialism continues to entrench itself in our lives. What will be next? I myself will probably just avoid going anywhere that I don't have to until this ends. That is tragic because it is only causing all of our local business establishments to suffer great losses week after week with no end in sight. I truly cannot breath well through a mask so that will dictate where I go during this latest mandate.
    This is what they are hoping! Get more people to just say screw it, we’re staying home then! I myself will continue to live my life as I need to - I will be testing the limits of the ‘mandate’. Many have already said they will just hand you a mask vs. a fine, at least in MN anyway.

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    Have to wear the thing all day long now in the factory. Went 4-5 months no problem now its whatever I'm tired of hearing it. Personally think it does nothing but if it makes everyone happy and we go back to normal then fine I'll wear it. I get the big fuss but also don't get why people can't just wear them too. Have to wear it in and out of the gym, but not while working out. How does that one add up??? IDK anymore.

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    Been wearing one for couple months now. I see no issue with it. If it helps other people/decrease spreading, I'm glad to wear it.
    If people were kinder to each other, we would be in a lot better place.

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    It will never go away untill enough people catch if.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garageguy View Post
    It will never go away untill enough people catch if.
    X2!!! EXACTLY!!! after all it is a "VIRUS"

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisco-mb View Post
    Been wearing one for couple months now. I see no issue with it. If it helps other people/decrease spreading, I'm glad to wear it.
    If people were kinder to each other, we would be in a lot better place.
    This is true, but what is considered kind? Wearing a mask to make those in fear feel better or understanding why some people don't want to wear one? One of the biggest reasons society is where it at is because people do not believe in minding ones business and living their lives. I'll use climate change bs and electric cars as an example. It's not enough for the people who truly believe in electric cars for themselves to buy one, they have to force everyone else to buy one. To me kindness is respecting other peoples decisions and minding your own business! Live your life not mine.

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    Could all this possibly go away after Nov.3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by renegade View Post
    This is true, but what is considered kind? Wearing a mask to make those in fear feel better or understanding why some people don't want to wear one? One of the biggest reasons society is where it at is because people do not believe in minding ones business and living their lives. I'll use climate change bs and electric cars as an example. It's not enough for the people who truly believe in electric cars for themselves to buy one, they have to force everyone else to buy one. To me kindness is respecting other peoples decisions and minding your own business! Live your life not mine.
    Bingo!! Do what you want with yours and leave me and mine alone!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by renegade View Post
    This is true, but what is considered kind? Wearing a mask to make those in fear feel better or understanding why some people don't want to wear one? One of the biggest reasons society is where it at is because people do not believe in minding ones business and living their lives. I'll use climate change bs and electric cars as an example. It's not enough for the people who truly believe in electric cars for themselves to buy one, they have to force everyone else to buy one. To me kindness is respecting other peoples decisions and minding your own business! Live your life not mine.
    I agree with your statement about respecting other people's decisions.
    Minding my own business is usually acceptable. I feel the same. However, there is a global pandemic going on. The stakes are a little different.
    I didn't agree with the mask at first. But I realized there's no downfall of me wearing it, only advantages of it.
    It's like if I see someone flying 100mph past my house. I'm not going to sit and mind my own business! I'm worried about my family's safety, as well as others in my neighborhood. I care about my neighbors.
    We can sit and do analogies all day, and spin it how we want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renegade View Post
    This is true, but what is considered kind? Wearing a mask to make those in fear feel better or understanding why some people don't want to wear one? One of the biggest reasons society is where it at is because people do not believe in minding ones business and living their lives. I'll use climate change bs and electric cars as an example. It's not enough for the people who truly believe in electric cars for themselves to buy one, they have to force everyone else to buy one. To me kindness is respecting other peoples decisions and minding your own business! Live your life not mine.
    So you were forced to buy an electric car, where do you live in North Korea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garageguy View Post
    It will never go away untill enough people catch if.
    I was thinking the same thing. I've seen enough non-political doctors who study and treat patients who say basically herd immunity is what's going to happen no matter what we try to do. Remember...we had to stay at home to help the ERs hand the influx of patients?? Ok, done...now what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisco-mb View Post
    I agree with your statement about respecting other people's decisions.
    Minding my own business is usually acceptable. I feel the same. However, there is a global pandemic going on. The stakes are a little different.
    I didn't agree with the mask at first. But I realized there's no downfall of me wearing it, only advantages of it.
    It's like if I see someone flying 100mph past my house. I'm not going to sit and mind my own business! I'm worried about my family's safety, as well as others in my neighborhood. I care about my neighbors.
    We can sit and do analogies all day, and spin it how we want.
    Unless they don't actually work. I can't tell you how many times I've seen out in the stores or read of similar situations on this forum where people have them under their nose or pull it down when talking or walking in a restaurant only to take it off while they are at their table.

    Do you think doctors would behave the same way while performing surgery? NO WAY! That's because there are procedures to follow for it to actually be effective. I'm sorry, but the mask thing is for control only and I don't believe is being effective at all.

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    If we just keep the real numbers in mind, and not listen to all the hype, the fear would go away. There are roughly 328.2 million people in the US. About 4.71 million people have confirmed cases if you really believe that number. 3.2 million confirmed cases would be 1% of the US population, so we are just over 1.5% of the population have actually contracted the disease. I like my odds at 98.5%. Take the number out even further, because as we all know getting it isn't the biggest problem, it is dying from it. As of right now we have about 157,000 deaths. There is nothing good about that number, and those people didn't deserve that. However if you divide 157,000 by the 328.2 million people in the US, the number that really matters (deaths) in all of this is extremely low. Less that .5%. The numbers don't lie. The news people do. And don't get me started on N95 dust masks. I have been selling them my whole adult life (I am 50 now) as well as other fresh air systems for breathing, and we are being sold a line of crap. They are not capable, or made for that purpose. We could talk about fit test, facial hair, unfiltered exhalation valve masks, and all sorts of other things for hours when it come to filtration. Elections have consequences my friends, none more than the one coming up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisco-mb View Post
    I agree with your statement about respecting other people's decisions.
    Minding my own business is usually acceptable. I feel the same. However, there is a global pandemic going on. The stakes are a little different.
    I didn't agree with the mask at first. But I realized there's no downfall of me wearing it, only advantages of it.
    It's like if I see someone flying 100mph past my house. I'm not going to sit and mind my own business! I'm worried about my family's safety, as well as others in my neighborhood. I care about my neighbors.
    We can sit and do analogies all day, and spin it how we want.
    You should do something if a reckless driver drives by going that fast, but not for someone shopping for groceries while breathing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goofy600 View Post
    So you were forced to buy an electric car, where do you live in North Korea?
    It was an example of how some people think. I'm not a writer so I'm sure I could have made it more clear. And yes, there are certain political parties that want to make some cars illegal to manufacture which would make it hard to purchase one. I would prefer the free market make the decisions. It is all about control and power. We are closer to North Korea than you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckreimeyer View Post
    If we just keep the real numbers in mind, and not listen to all the hype, the fear would go away. There are roughly 328.2 million people in the US. About 4.71 million people have confirmed cases if you really believe that number. 3.2 million confirmed cases would be 1% of the US population, so we are just over 1.5% of the population have actually contracted the disease. I like my odds at 98.5%. Take the number out even further, because as we all know getting it isn't the biggest problem, it is dying from it. As of right now we have about 157,000 deaths. There is nothing good about that number, and those people didn't deserve that. However if you divide 157,000 by the 328.2 million people in the US, the number that really matters (deaths) in all of this is extremely low. Less that .5%. The numbers don't lie. The news people do. And don't get me started on N95 dust masks. I have been selling them my whole adult life (I am 50 now) as well as other fresh air systems for breathing, and we are being sold a line of crap. They are not capable, or made for that purpose. We could talk about fit test, facial hair, unfiltered exhalation valve masks, and all sorts of other things for hours when it come to filtration. Elections have consequences my friends, none more than the one coming up.
    Very well put! especially the last sentence, so true and the closer we get the scarier it is becoming

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    Quote Originally Posted by renegade View Post
    You should do something if a reckless driver drives by going that fast, but not for someone shopping for groceries while breathing.
    You're missing the point. The point was made about be minding my business when I'm not in danger.
    No mask, danger of spreading whatever you have. Mask on properly, risk of spreading something is very low.

    As for the people that say this is a free country and the mask is restricting their freedom: We already live with many restrictions for the protection of society. ie: driving on right side of road, stopping at stop signs.
    Those all deny freedom, but we do that because it provides for the safety of other people. Remember, coming back to caring for other people is what this is about! That simple. Countries that have used masks, and even mandated them, have had their cases dwindle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisco-mb View Post
    You're missing the point. The point was made about be minding my business when I'm not in danger.
    No mask, danger of spreading whatever you have. Mask on properly, risk of spreading something is very low.

    As for the people that say this is a free country and the mask is restricting their freedom: We already live with many restrictions for the protection of society. ie: driving on right side of road, stopping at stop signs.
    Those all deny freedom, but we do that because it provides for the safety of other people. Remember, coming back to caring for other people is what this is about! That simple. Countries that have used masks, and even mandated them, have had their cases dwindle.

    But...this assumes masks are worn properly to be effective. I don't think anyone here would suggest masks are being worn effectively. So I ask, what's the point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfattack View Post
    But...this assumes masks are worn properly to be effective. I don't think anyone here would suggest masks are being worn effectively. So I ask, what's the point?
    Yes, I would assume some are not, but I would say most are. It's not 100%, but it's the best we have right now.

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    Sweden let er rip and now has herd immunity. They were fortunate to not have a Trump kill media corrupting their collective society. That says a lot,... Sweden shows the perfect scenario of usual normalcy in the face of a seasonal cold, which is all this is.....you get it, you move on.

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    August 3, 2020-Oconomowoc, WI area

    Day 3 of new mandatory mask rule in Wisconsin.

    8:30am- Took dog to vet to have stitches out. You call them from the parking lot and they come get your dog and bring it back when done. I did not wear a mask to interact with the vet who brought her back out and no one cared, they were very nice.

    11:00 am- St. Vincent Depaul, dropped off last tube TV! kids were wearing masks but never said anything about me not wearing a mask.They were very friendly.

    11:30am- Dropped off car at shop to have some exhaust work done on it. Did not wear mask, no one at the shop had a mask on and no one seemed to care about masks.

    12:00noon- Ate lunch at restaurant in downtown Oconomowoc, Did not wear mask in, sat down had lunch, waitress had mask on but it did not cover her nose. Lady behind counter had no mask on. Not many people there but only 50% wearing masks.

    1:00pm- Goodwill, My wife loves to stop and buy other peoples treasures, mask were required so I waited in the car.

    1:30pm - Aldi, I went in for a couple of things and wore my mask out of respect for their sign and other customers, everyone else had masks on as well.

    2:00pm - Mills Fleet Farm, I went in for some caulk and wore my mask because it was noted on the door. It appeared that everyone else had masks on as well.

    In many counties in our area the law enforcement has said that they will not be the ones to enforce the mandate, have heard that some are upset, are these the same ones that want to defund the police?????

    Sadly, can't wait for 2020 to be overwith............what a strange year it has been!

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    OK, PCLARK....LOL

    GUS'S DRIVE-IN, East Troy, WI, Sat 5 pm....cruise night. 30 or so hot rods, 60 - 80 ppl.....I actually forgot about Governor mask mandate.....1 kid had a mask on while his girlfriend didn't....a few of the hired help wore one as well. that was it.

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    And if it was mandatory that no one is allowed to wear a mask in public.. then it would be " No one can tell me what to do and to not wear a mask. So I'm gonna wear one "

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisco-mb View Post
    You're missing the point. The point was made about be minding my business when I'm not in danger.
    No mask, danger of spreading whatever you have. Mask on properly, risk of spreading something is very low.

    As for the people that say this is a free country and the mask is restricting their freedom: We already live with many restrictions for the protection of society. ie: driving on right side of road, stopping at stop signs.
    Those all deny freedom, but we do that because it provides for the safety of other people. Remember, coming back to caring for other people is what this is about! That simple. Countries that have used masks, and even mandated them, have had their cases dwindle.
    Wait a minute! I have to chime in here. Driving is a privilege. People don't have to drive. Breathing on the other hand is a required to live. You have to breathe, no ifs ands or buts about it. So we are comparing restrictions on something that is a privilege to some that is necessary to exist. I think there could be a distinction. Going by your logic that we should watch out for our fellow man, the road goes both ways. What about people with asthma, COPD, chronic bronchitis, and other breathing abnormalities, shouldn't we make accommodations for them? Can the worry warts see the other side of the issue to masks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsledder View Post
    Wait a minute! I have to chime in here. Driving is a privilege. People don't have to drive. Breathing on the other hand is a required to live. You have to breathe, no ifs ands or buts about it. So we are comparing restrictions on something that is a privilege to some that is necessary to exist. I think there could be a distinction. Going by your logic that we should watch out for our fellow man, the road goes both ways. What about people with asthma, COPD, chronic bronchitis, and other breathing abnormalities, shouldn't we make accommodations for them? Can the worry warts see the other side of the issue to masks?
    It was just an example. Should I come up with more "freedoms" that have restrictions that are not "privileges"?
    Yes driving is a privilege in a way. However, how do the people not drive get necessities?; ie: food, medicine. etc? Someone has to drive to get them that.

    We do care for them. We outlawed smoking in businesses.

    Lot of friends of mine and myself included, that wear a mask, are not worried in any sense. Just trying to do our part.

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    Its about time WI got on board with the mask requirement. MI has had a mask requirement for some time now and its covid positivity rate is only 2.30% compared to WI's 6.53% positivity rate.
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/testing-positivity

    Also the U.P. counties along the WI border have much higher covid than the rest of the U.P. Gogebic County is exploding. Maybe its due to the WI no mask rule for so long.
    https://www.uppermichiganssource.com...ogebic-county/

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    Amount if positive tests drastically, miraculously dropped in last 2 days in Wisconsin since mask mandate....However the amount of people being tested has dropped even further than the drop percentage of positive cases, they announced the number of tests the day before but neglected that fact on news this morning, but hey...numbers are going down!! must be working already!!!. Lets open things up!! Lets get people back to work!!! cant you see folks... it works! we should never take them off!!! just think of the disease, virus and illness free world we could live in, if only everyone would wear a mask! YEAH RIGHT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gary_in_neenah View Post
    That could be in the SMILES! Funny!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    MI has had a mask requirement for some time now and its covid positivity rate is only 2.30% compared to WI's 6.53% positivity rate.
    And you can see in the attached graph, using the data from State of MI website, when the Gov issues mask mandates and how that affected positive infections (hint, no correlation between wearing masks and rate of positive infections).
    MICOVID_GOVAction_7-29-20.jpg

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    I'm not wearing a mask anywhere. Still going in to places I need to go in and not getting any grief. The same people telling me a couple pieces of Chinese paper over my face will keep me and others safe, and that I don't care about others are the same people who bought up all the TP, and cleared out the grocery stores. Thanks a lot a holes. Mind your own business

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    I was in Iowa and Nebraska the last two days looking at combines. No mask laws. Came back went to walk into Kwik Trip and had to turn around and get the mask. I want to go back.

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    Not First Time Masks Required to Fight Pandemic

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    Well back in 1918 we didn't have TV or on-line social media to help spread/create fear.

    Would you be afraid of covid if you didn't even know about it?
    Lake Effect Snow, my three favorite words.

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    I guess I'm a dangerous slacker.

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    Yep comiefornia. Comie back then still commie today.... You hear LA is going to shut your water and electricity off if you are having a "gathering"?? That sounds like America doesn't it????

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    I wish I could post a short vid someone sent me from Tucker the other night, where he made fun of a local news station out there, with a helicopter over that large house party, and the news people proclaiming "We have a situation, News chopper 6 on the scene, we have a Food Truck and a DJ, we will keep you posted on this developing story!" - LOL

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    They should start a mass antibody test. To see how many have already had it and are done with it. But they won't. Got to continue the fear and panic. Until election day. That is why we are supposed to wear masks. Drag it out. We might be done with it too soon! Maybe we will get a big hurricane to change the gloom and doom headline for awhile. Another force of nature we cannot control but it makes for a good headline if the current powers that be send help 4 hours later than they should have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Not First Time Masks Required to Fight Pandemic
    Not the first time masks failed to do anything of value in the face of a virus:

    Mask-1918.jpg

    You'll see that no mask and yes mask had same swing, just like MI did when they forced a mask. In this example, the "must mask" even has an upswing that the "no mask" did not.

    Excerpt from: Kellogg, Wilfred H. Influenza, A Study of Measures Adopted for the Control of the Epidemic. California State Board of Health. (Sacramento: California State Printing Office, 1919) 22.

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    I think most of you know I support the wearing of masks. However I find it very difficult to wear one for a long period of time. I truly feel sorry for those who have to wear one all day long.

    On a recent visit to my local bank, even I thought the bank did an overkill. I actually called before I went so I knew what to expect, but this was just a visit to a bank not the dentist or doctor office.

    As I approached the front door of the bank I put my mask on. I entered the bank and in front of me was a table that had a little basket of masks, hand sanitizer, and disinfectant wipes. A girl got up from her desk and approached the table area with her mask on. She wanted to see my ID and then wanted to ask me some covid questions. She asked about 5 covid questions like if a had a cough or fever, if I had been traveling etc. I told her I had no covid, but she had to ask them all anyway. If I was sick, I wouldn't have been there in the first place.

    Then she wanted to see my drivers license again, and for me to lower my mask so she could see my face. Heck, I just showed her my license. However, at the time I thought it was just some more covid mumbo jumbo, but since I was going to go into my safe deposit box it was probably necessary on second thought. Of course all the tellers were wearing masks and had plexiglass barrier in front of them.

    Now this was just a bank, and most customers are in a bank for just a few minutes, not like a grocery store where you might be in the store for over a half hour. Grocery stores don't put you though these hoops why should a bank.

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    Biden and Harris just proposed a 3 month natiionwide mandate on wearing masks, but of course, they wouldn't take any questions. They didn't explain anything about it. Harris did most of the talking too. How long can they get away with taking no questions? The media will not call them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mspease View Post
    Biden and Harris just proposed a 3 month natiionwide mandate on wearing masks, but of course, they wouldn't take any questions. They didn't explain anything about it. Harris did most of the talking too. How long can they get away with taking no questions? The media will not call them out.
    Its beyond comprehension anymore. PLEASE PLEASE let the debates happen. PLEASE don't cancel them for ANY reason. Not that anyone who should will watch them anyway.....

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    Covid Overkill
    And you wonder why you get met with the responses you do, doesn't this explain a lot?

    Have you gone to get a haircut lately? That is EXACTLY what they do where I go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mspease View Post
    Biden and Harris just proposed a 3 month natiionwide mandate on wearing masks
    3 months, huh? That takes us just past Election Day.

    "Harris did most of the talking too."

    I think we're going to see a lot of that if Joe's as feeble as they say he is and the media is already giving her the Obama Treatment.
    And I might be getting ahead of myself but Joe says he'll only serve one term. That puts the V.P. front and center in 4 years. Also, if Joe has any health issues, she could become the POTUS even sooner.

    Today's Irony, Midwest Player had a Q & A just to get in his bank. There was a time that if you wore a mask into a bank they called the cops. Now they throw your butt out if you don't wear one.

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