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    Default Hyfax & bearings

    Posted something about this last season, I am a big fan of OEM products but know on occasion some aftermarket can be better than OEM, Im looking for something better that standard OEM hyfax and I see Garland makes a graphite "high performance" hyfax. now Im not expecting any "performance gain" out of hyfax but it is my understanding that Garland makes a lot of the OEM hyfax , has anyone tried these or is OEM still the most preferred? Just looking for something that may provide better life and protection in low snow conditions. I have also seen posts regarding winter seals/grease in Idle bearings, wondering what the bearing prefix number is that designates winter bearing? in past I have always popped seals and put in synthetic marine grease, but if there is something better or made for application, would appreciate knowing what it is. Thank You!

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    Back in the day I tried all kinds of aftermarket HiFax. My experience was that it ALL wears out if you run 80 down a snowless grade. As far as more speed - that is just a way to charge more money for it. Granted this was years ago but I doubt much has changed. I use OEM. As far as bearings keep doing what you are doing. Then you know what is in there rather than trusting some snake oil marketing scheme.

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    I used Garland hy-fax always very happy with them. I tried the graphite hy-fax, didn't last longer, didn't see any performance gains.

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    Thanks guys! think I will just stay with OEM, was just hoping something that lasted a bit longer, Performance gain from hyfax...a wet dream im sure, not expecting that. And will just keep doing the same with bearings, has worked well all these years, sometimes reinventing the wheel not a bad thing, other times not Thank you again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    Thanks guys! think I will just stay with OEM, was just hoping something that lasted a bit longer, Performance gain from hyfax...a wet dream im sure, not expecting that. And will just keep doing the same with bearings, has worked well all these years, sometimes reinventing the wheel not a bad thing, other times not Thank you again!
    Dupont makes a hyfax and will last longer, but expensive, my buddies have tried them and say they work but i'll stick with the garland hyfax. Something has to wear on minimal snow, plastic hyfax is cheaper than wearing out the track clips.

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    i have had very good reports on the duponts and will be using them this year. the vespel inserts have a very low level of friction with minimal snow lube. i'm told they are worth the cost and no undue wear on clips....as for grease i use redline synthetic, good stuff. https://www.amazon.com/Red-Line-8040.../dp/B0053O9FQS

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    I did get 9000 miles out of my Dupont hyfax but usually get 5000 out of the cheap ones. Trying cheap ones this year and see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvest1121 View Post
    I did get 9000 miles out of my Dupont hyfax but usually get 5000 out of the cheap ones. Trying cheap ones this year and see what happens.
    Sorry, but is your odometer in meters?! I only get 1,200 miles out of a set of hyfax. I had the DuPonts in it for one season and it ate all my clips. Before you say anything, my track tension is set to spec or a hair less.

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    Must be doing something wrong ride with all Yamahas and always 5,000 miles on Duponts. My last Viper had 14,000 miles 1 stock set then 2 pairs of Duponts. At 14,000 miles had a few track clips replaced but nothing out of the ordinary. My carbides have 11,000 have Bergstroms think they should be changed but have not looked yet. Have a few weeks to worry about that. Think my friends Sidewinder had over 4,000 on cheap hyfaxs and are not too bad. We ride alot have 11,000 (MILES) on a viper that will be 3 years old end of January 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsledder View Post
    Sorry, but is your odometer in meters?! I only get 1,200 miles out of a set of hyfax. I had the DuPonts in it for one season and it ate all my clips. Before you say anything, my track tension is set to spec or a hair less.
    A lot depends son what sled you ride how you ride where and when you ride. I’ve put 7500 on a Doo with r-motion skid but I’m always looking for snow, wife’s sled never makes 4000 but rides on trail or hard pack roads and very seldom finds snow for extra lube. And some sleds are just hard on them compared to others.

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    Been running Dupont hyfax on my SkiDoos for quite a few years. Get ones for Yamaha that are routered out to fit on the Doo. Last longer, lest melting. OEM on our GTs would melt and stick in anything but the best conditions. Do not have that issue with the Dupont. Might be something better, but have been happy with these.

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    As for idler wheel bearings, I purchase standard SKF bearings from Motion Industries, no China junk. I then carefully pop off one shield and remove the grease. I then pack the new bearing with Lubriplate low temp grease. I have never had one fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddspolaris View Post
    Dupont makes a hyfax and will last longer, but expensive, my buddies have tried them and say they work but i'll stick with the garland hyfax. Something has to wear on minimal snow, plastic hyfax is cheaper than wearing out the track clips.
    toddspolaris, reading up on the dupont, they are expensive yes and as someone else stated they ate their track clips, when you read about them it claims they are stronger than hardened steel, aluminum and titanium which kind of makes me think other things may wear before the hyfax, was just wondering if there was something better out there. Thinking I will stay with the OEM and keep doing what I have been doing with my bearings and I agree with another post, starting with good bearings to begin with makes the difference too, greases we all know there are good, better and best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveZRT800 View Post
    As for idler wheel bearings, I purchase standard SKF bearings from Motion Industries, no China junk. I then carefully pop off one shield and remove the grease. I then pack the new bearing with Lubriplate low temp grease. I have never had one fail.
    I second getting bearing from a place like Motion Industries. I remember years ago getting a price for a bunch of bearings for a VMAX 4 at a Yamaha dealer. Went to Motion and they were like a 1/4 of the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsledder View Post
    Sorry, but is your odometer in meters?! I only get 1,200 miles out of a set of hyfax. I had the DuPonts in it for one season and it ate all my clips. Before you say anything, my track tension is set to spec or a hair less.
    1200? What are you ridding in ? Heck my metro sled gets 3k out of a set and that is running snirt more than snow are you sure you are not just replacing something for the sake of replacing ?

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    Little tip....if you can find white hyfax they last the longest....color matters....the reason is the color white has titanium in it to get white....silver is the next toughest...grey next....due to amount of titanium powder put into the color....I used to run nothing but silver but they stopped making that color because it was lasting too long


    This is a quote...

    the titanium dioxide pigment and is the brightest and most commonly found white...


    I try to use nothing but NTN sealed bearings...blue sided is cold weather applications...red is warm weather...and black is general applications

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