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    Default CDC Wants to Shut Down MI AGAIN?!

    What happened? Whitmer had MI shut down most of the winter to prevent Covid spread. Now MI is one of the nationís hot spots for new Covid cases. Iím thinking avoiding the virus spread earlier just postponed the current spread. Just my own theory any factual reasons for the current intense spread?

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    Let them and hope they smarten up on voting.   I live in Will County in Illinois we have been open for 3 months everything seems like normal around here.

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    The variant of Covid19 is 50% more contagious, that means it spreads easier. I know the variant is in the county I live in. More people sick now then last year in our county.

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    Fauci has no awnser when asked about TX .
    He quote< finds it puzzling >lol yep my hero

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    Quote Originally Posted by polaris4me View Post
    The variant of Covid19 is 50% more contagious, that means it spreads easier. I know the variant is in the county I live in. More people sick now then last year in our county.
    Spot on!

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    If it’s possible all J&J vaccine should be diverted to MI. I know there is a J&J shortage but what’s out there should go to MI for one and done. I believe MI would have done better against the variant had the original virus run it course so people had antibodies to fight off the variant. No easy answers looks like a difficult 90 days and try to vaccinate out of the new spread. Just can’t avoid an airborn virus and live a normal life. Strange Whitmer is not shutting MI down following CDC advise and what the UK did.

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    I heard that as well and all I have to say is...IT CANNOT HAPPEN AGAIN!!! I don't give a POOP what the reasoning!!! look at the facts people....IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!! and for all of you who are complaining about cost of goods, availability, no job to go back to and you thought this was all a good idea??? well.... shut up because this is what "YOU" wanted. This CANNOT and BETTER NOT happen again!!! WHAT A JOKE!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedust View Post
    If it’s possible all J&J vaccine should be diverted to MI. I know there is a J&J shortage but what’s out there should go to MI for one and done. I believe MI would have done better against the variant had the original virus run it course so people had antibodies to fight off the variant. No easy answers looks like a difficult 90 days and try to vaccinate out of the new spread. Just can’t avoid an airborn virus and live a normal life. Strange Whitmer is not shutting MI down following CDC advise and what the UK did.
    Kind of hard to self develop variant antibodies without first having the variant? Cart before the horse? Many said over a year ago, as I think so did Fauci, that the challenge would be to stay ahead of the virus mutating rapidly?

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    I thought that I read or saw that Michigan has 39% of all adults vaccinated (I could be wrong). That is higher than Wisconsin and most states. It was also mentioned that Whitmer asked for more vaccine doses and she did not even know that they had 340,000 just sitting there not being used. All I can say if we ever have a really bad epidemic or something deadly like Ebola spread rampant God help us because it certainly shows that the people in charge like the CDC and WHO failed miserably with their response to COVID-19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pclark View Post
    I thought that I read or saw that Michigan has 39% of all adults vaccinated (I could be wrong). That is higher than Wisconsin and most states. It was also mentioned that Whitmer asked for more vaccine doses and she did not even know that they had 340,000 just sitting there not being used. All I can say if we ever have a really bad epidemic or something deadly like Ebola spread rampant God help us because it certainly shows that the people in charge like the CDC and WHO failed miserably with their response to COVID-19.
    You got that right. Ebola would have killed us all. Total idiots in charge. And I am not optimistic we will learn from it.

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    Biden and his administration want her to shut everything down again, because it works so well doing that...
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    why aren't they saying what percentage of new cases are with people who have already been vaccinated? you have to be a complete idiot or just oblivious to not think we would be dealing with different "variants" we have done it with the common flu (that no longer exists) for years, vaccinations based on "best guess" as to what variant we will be dealing with. They were right on it when cases fell so rapidly that the vaccine works and walla just as fast we now have all of these variants, these drug companies were confident they would be effective against the new variants so where are the stats that say how many of these new cases are people who have been vaccinated? I have 2 family numbers one who was hospitalized with covid and ended up having blood clots in her lungs as a result of, after being vaccinated. Yes I know the vaccine is only what? 70% effective but where are the numbers? WE CANNOT SHUT DOWN AGAIN!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedust View Post
    If itís possible all J&J vaccine should be diverted to MI. I know there is a J&J shortage but whatís out there should go to MI for one and done. I believe MI would have done better against the variant had the original virus run it course so people had antibodies to fight off the variant. No easy answers looks like a difficult 90 days and try to vaccinate out of the new spread. Just canít avoid an airborn virus and live a normal life. Strange Whitmer is not shutting MI down following CDC advise and what the UK did.
    J&J now paused due to blood clots. I think Whitmer can't order shut downs since her emergency order powers ran out.

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    Yep cure worse than the disease....  Oh and Fauci  ppppffffttttttt.....https://forum.johndee.com/vbulletin/...927&stc=1&#34; attachmentid="62927" alt="" id="vbattach_62927" class="previewthumb">
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    Thatís good. The one thing I will say about Witler is she will fight with anyone that tries to tell her what to do. So hopefully she sticks to her norm and doesnít cave to president and cdc because she thinks she knows better.
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    You won't hear the word shutdown out of WHitmer's mouth again.
    She knows it's political suicide.

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    Exactly, she has to run for re-election in 2022 so now the new game comes into play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    .... vaccinations based on "best guess" as to what variant we will be dealing with.
    The thing virtually no one understands is this "vaccine" is not even COVID specific...it's not even a "vaccine" in the truest sense of the word...it's an experimental genetic modification of how each person's body handles certain proteins and is attempting, with limited success, to train or re-train a person's body how to deal with invaders...i.e. the COVID virus



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    She is a terrible leader, and this proves it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    I think Whitmer can't order shut downs since her emergency order powers ran out.
    Correct, but there's more. When the courts shut her down, she moved to using the health department to keep things locked down (masks, distancing, schools, etc) and then using MIOSHA to go around fining any business that did not comply for "health" violations.

    Her actions the entire time have been political. This latest one was "recommending" schools close grades 6-12 as well as sports. That puts the school in a real no-win situation. Do they keep going because we know there's been no issues with sick kids or do they close because the Govt has recommended they do so along with their local health dept.

    MI is clear proof that none of the restrictions/mandates make a bit of difference from a health perspective, other than a negative impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedust View Post
    If it’s possible all J&J vaccine should be diverted to MI. I know there is a J&J shortage but what’s out there should go to MI for one and done. I believe MI would have done better against the variant had the original virus run it course so people had antibodies to fight off the variant. No easy answers looks like a difficult 90 days and try to vaccinate out of the new spread. Just can’t avoid an airborn virus and live a normal life. Strange Whitmer is not shutting MI down following CDC advise and what the UK did.
    What say you about TX ? According to everything they have been feeding us TX should be exploding in cases . Yet they are not at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddah2 View Post

    The thing virtually no one understands is this "vaccine" is not even COVID specific...it's not even a "vaccine" in the truest sense of the word...it's an experimental genetic modification of how each person's body handles certain proteins and is attempting, with limited success, to train or re-train a person's body how to deal with invaders...i.e. the COVID virus
    As Abe would say....spot on! ""

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    x2 buddah. Experimental genetic modification... Pair that with a posssible mandate to disclose personal medical information with a government issued "passport".

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    Yes she's bad news no doubt. Having high school kids wear masks during sporting events? My daughter plays high school basketball and one of her teammates has asthma. She comes off the court literally crying trying to gasp for air. Another teammate in perfectly good health now needs a asthma pump which she never ever needed before! She cares not about people, but only about here agenda. It's really sad to see young people going through weekly testing to play high school sports. She will have a lot to answer for. She is power hungry and that's the last thing you need in politics. It's just sad and disappointing.

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    Has anyone noticed that the only states reporting a covid crisis and promoting lock downs have democratic governors? I haven't drank their kool-aid and don't intend to. Fuaci is a sword fighting idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoric1 View Post
    why aren't they saying what percentage of new cases are with people who have already been vaccinated? you have to be a complete idiot or just oblivious to not think we would be dealing with different "variants" we have done it with the common flu (that no longer exists) for years, vaccinations based on "best guess" as to what variant we will be dealing with. They were right on it when cases fell so rapidly that the vaccine works and walla just as fast we now have all of these variants, these drug companies were confident they would be effective against the new variants so where are the stats that say how many of these new cases are people who have been vaccinated? I have 2 family numbers one who was hospitalized with covid and ended up having blood clots in her lungs as a result of, after being vaccinated. Yes I know the vaccine is only what? 70% effective but where are the numbers? WE CANNOT SHUT DOWN AGAIN!!!
    What Kool-Aid have you been drinking. Here are the numbers.

    "Based on evidence from clinical trials, the Moderna vaccine was 94.1% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 illness in people who received two doses who had no evidence of being previously infected."

    "The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is 95% effective in preventing the COVID-19 virus with symptoms."

    Now you know the rest of the story.


    One more thing. New research shows the vaccines may be performing even better than expected so quit spreading lies.
    https://www.wect.com/2021/04/13/what...res-that-risk/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    What Kool-Aid have you been drinking. Here are the numbers.

    "Based on evidence from clinical trials, the Moderna vaccine was 94.1% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 illness in people who received two doses who had no evidence of being previously infected."

    "The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is 95% effective in preventing the COVID-19 virus with symptoms."

    Now you know the rest of the story.
    You may want to continue reading.

    CDC study says Pfizer/Moderna are 90% in real world.
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7013e3_w

    J&J is 72% (right in line with euphoric1's statement):
    https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/co...ine-comparison

    Or J&J is "The vaccine was 72% protective in the United States, 66% protective in South America, and 57% protective in South Africa."
    https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/02/...hnson-johnson/

    Guess it depends on what you read. As for spreading lies, well, seems many are pretty good at that these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TrakR View Post
    You may want to continue reading.

    CDC study says Pfizer/Moderna are 90% in real world.
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7013e3_w

    J&J is 72% (right in line with euphoric1's statement):
    https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/co...ine-comparison

    Or J&J is "The vaccine was 72% protective in the United States, 66% protective in South America, and 57% protective in South Africa."
    https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/02/...hnson-johnson/

    Guess it depends on what you read. As for spreading lies, well, seems many are pretty good at that these days.
    Also, the J and J vaccine testing was done during the busier outbreak times, and the other 2 were done in the "slower" months.
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    The vaccine is unproven and many have died from it already. I'll take my chances by putting my faith in the big guy upstairs and continue to not live in fear. To each their own. If people want it then more power to them but for those that don't they deserve the same appreciation and respect. Last time I checked we live in the land of the free!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RHFD547 View Post
    Has anyone noticed that the only states reporting a covid crisis and promoting lock downs have democratic governors? I haven't drank their kool-aid and don't intend to. Fuaci is a sword fighting idiot.
    Yep, the same states that had the most restrictions and shutdowns.  LOL  The same states that have night after night of rioting, I mean peaceful demonstrations.  LMAO  



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    Quote Originally Posted by kip View Post
    I'll take my chances by putting my faith in the big guy upstairs and continue to not live in fear.
    <br><br>Are you saying you have't worn a mask or don't wear a mask at work or anywhere out ?<br><br> <br><br>

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    I do not wear a mask at work I don't wear a mask anywhere unless I go to one of my kid's sporting events within the school. I'm just a outlaw by today's standards!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kip View Post
    The vaccine is unproven and many have died from it already. I'll take my chances by putting my faith in the big guy upstairs and continue to not live in fear. To each their own. If people want it then more power to them but for those that don't they deserve the same appreciation and respect. Last time I checked we live in the land of the free!
    Well said Kip! This is the statement to live by! We all are a year plus "in" on this craziness, how long is it going to last? How many more freedoms are going to be removed?
    People need to be concerned about themselves and not what the "other guy" is doing! You want to get the vaccine?...great...go get it! For those of us who don't, that is our right & our business!
    My employer requires the mask, luckily for me I am not around other people 95% of the time so I do not have to wear it all day. I choose not to wear it anywhere else. If a place of business I visit requires one, I do my best to avoid giving those places my business!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mspease View Post
    <br><br>Yep, the same states that had the most restrictions and shutdowns.&nbsp; LOL&nbsp; The same states that have night after night of rioting, I mean peaceful demonstrations.&nbsp; LMAO&nbsp;&nbsp;<br> <br>
    Quote Originally Posted by kip View Post
    I do not wear a mask at work I don't wear a mask anywhere unless I go to one of my kid's sporting events within the school. I'm just a outlaw by today's standards!
    Quote Originally Posted by wiviperman View Post
    Well said Kip! This is the statement to live by! We all are a year plus "in" on this craziness, how long is it going to last? How many more freedoms are going to be removed? People need to be concerned about themselves and not what the "other guy" is doing! You want to get the vaccine?...great...go get it! For those of us who don't, that is our right & our business! My employer requires the mask, luckily for me I am not around other people 95% of the time so I do not have to wear it all day. I choose not to wear it anywhere else. If a place of business I visit requires one, I do my best to avoid giving those places my business!
    Right on, brothers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kip View Post
    The vaccine is unproven and many have died from it already. I'll take my chances by putting my faith in the big guy upstairs and continue to not live in fear. To each their own. If people want it then more power to them but for those that don't they deserve the same appreciation and respect. Last time I checked we live in the land of the free!
    AMEN!

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    It is not the first time a unproven vaccine has been used, but I doubt you can call the covid vaccine unproven. Think back to the polio vaccine.
    https://consumer.healthday.com/kids-...ry-691915.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by kip View Post
    I do not wear a mask at work I don't wear a mask anywhere unless I go to one of my kid's sporting events within the school. I'm just a outlaw by today's standards!
    I really enjoy the reactions and stares I get wearing this shirt around my town.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kip View Post
    I do not wear a mask at work<img src="/vbulletin/images/smilies/smile.png" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" smilieid="1" class="inlineimg"> I don't wear a mask anywhere unless I go to one of my kid's sporting events within the school. I'm just a outlaw by today's standards!
    <br> <br>me either, only going into and out of a couple of my favorite bars that i dont want to get banned from<br>At gas stations, stores, gun shops, etc nope!

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    Doesn't sound proven to me.
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    I can call it what I want just like you can. This is the problem right there! You cannot tell people how to think and how to feel. My opinions are mine just like yours are yours Midwest. Yes, I can say that and I will continue to say that no matter how others think or feel. You or anyone else cannot tell me what to say, what to do, or what to feel man.

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    Furthermore, it's pretty odd how many people feel the same way I do yet it's never spoken about on a National level. Pretty sad state we're in right now in more ways than one

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    Quote Originally Posted by kip View Post
    I can call it what I want just like you can. This is the problem right there! You cannot tell people how to think and how to feel. My opinions are mine just like yours are yours Midwest. Yes, I can say that and I will continue to say that no matter how others think or feel. You or anyone else cannot tell me what to say, what to do, or what to feel man. [COLOR="silver"]- - - Updated - - -[/COLOR] Furthermore, it's pretty odd how many people feel the same way I do yet it's never spoken about on a National level. Pretty sad state we're in right now in more ways than one
    Quote Originally Posted by xcr440 View Post
    I really enjoy the reactions and stares I get wearing this shirt around my town..... 3A0B7F3B-32F6-43BF-9F6A-6D51D248CE3C.jpg
    We have a trailer dealership here, that does not require masks to shop. The sign on their door says "we accept you as you are". Only 3 or so of their employees wearing masks. Less than half of customers. I wish more businesses had the balls to conduct business as they see fit. Its been this way there since the beginning of this BS.

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    We have been open throughout all of this.  Never once have my employees or myself wore a mask.  If guys come in with them on that is their personal choice.  just like mine to not wear one of them snot napkins.  Not getting the vaksine either.  If you want to that is your choice.  See the theme here??  Funny how witchmore's actions are so much different now that orange man bad is out....  I shouldn't say much though Tim jong un walz is really something as well....  Who votes for these whackadoos??

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    The problem is that alot of insurance companies mandate that you have signs up about wearing masks. I don't wear one unless i go in some place that mandates them ie Menards and i only go there cause it is right on way home. You can take these masks and wipe your a-- with them I hate them but if you want to wear one thats fine but don't talk about me cause I'm not. Next thing they are going to try to do is come take your guns lets see how that works for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    It is not the first time a unproven vaccine has been used, but I doubt you can call the covid vaccine unproven. Think back to the polio vaccine.
    https://consumer.healthday.com/kids-...ry-691915.html
    That's a ridiculous comparison. Polio had a much higher CFR, and crippled millions more than it killed, which justified a risky response. SARS-2 (Covid) has a CFR well below 1%, and most of those are elderly or obese. The polio vaccine contained inactivated virus, which was a proven technology for DECADES before the polio vaccine. The SARS-2 mRNA "vaccines" work completely differently, are still completely experimental, and are potentially far more dangerous. And not just to those vaccinated, but to all of us! There are some highly respected virologists and doctors who think this mass experimental "vaccination" is absolutely insane, but I'm sure you know more than them.
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    Food for thought from Israel:

    Our citizens must first and foremost define the discussion in order to accurately weigh their choices. What they are being asked to inject is not a vaccine as defined by the CDC as “A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease.” [5] Rather, it is an experimental and novel technology. By definition of the FDA [6] as a component used as treatment to affect a body’s function, it is in fact a medical device, a physical device that comes in a molecular sized package. Erroneously referring to this intervention as a vaccine exploits the public's ingrained trust of the vaccination program to solicit knee jerk response and action. It keeps us entrenched in needless debate in place of taking the necessary measures to investigate the impact on our health.

    DNA is, in short, the basis for our genetic structure. Inside each cell are codes which transfer its information to make proteins through messenger RNA. Messenger RNA is an intermediary between gene and protein and the protein elicits the immune response, not the RNA. The contents of this shot being given on an experimental basis is a synthetic messenger RNA that is inserted into the human system to activate the cell to manufacture, in this case, a spike protein. [7] An mRNA vaccine is not a vaccine, because it does not elicit an immune response. What it is, is genetic engineering.

    There are a number of prominent concerns of serious adverse reactions of which include, in brief summary, some of the following:

    In previous clinical trials since the 1960’s [8] attempts to vaccinate against RSV, [9] Dengue, [10] SARS and MERS, the studies each failed during the animal phase. Cats, ferrets, monkeys, and rabbits each and every time experienced Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE), also known as pathogenic priming or a cytokine storm. This occurs when the immune system creates an uncontrolled and overwhelming inflammatory response upon being confronted with the pathogen in the real world, and the outcome, tragically, is death. The same immune system overreaction took place in a number of infants in clinical trials who received an attempted RSV shot, as well as some six hundred Filipino children who died following early vaccination against Dengue [11] and it remains a viable concern today. [12] Autoimmune disease occurs when the body's immune system can't tell the difference between its own cells and foreign cells, and causes the body to attack its normal cells. [13] It has been suggested that "molecular mimicry" may contribute to this problem, with antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 cross-reacting with structurally similar host protein sequences and raising an acute autoimmune response against them. [14]

    Scientists have determined that the same spike protein found in SARS viruses are also responsible for the development of the placenta in mammals, including humans, and is therefore an essential prerequisite for a successful pregnancy. If a woman’s body is primed to attack these protein spikes, the immune system may prevent a placenta from being formed, which would render that woman infertile. [15]

    Drs Yeadon and Wodarg further explain; “To my knowledge, Pfizer/BioNTech has yet to release any samples of written materials provided to patients, so it is unclear what, if any, information regarding (potential) fertility-specific risks caused by antibodies is included. According to section 10.4.2 of the Pfizer/BioNTech trial protocol, a woman of childbearing potential is eligible to participate if she is not pregnant or breastfeeding, and is using an acceptable contraceptive method as described in the trial protocol during the intervention period (for a minimum of 28 days after the last dose of study intervention). This means that it could take a relatively long time before a noticeable number of cases of post vaccination infertility could be observed.” [16]We claim an unbridled love of science and yet we are missing the crater sized gaps in reason. A tremendous risk of known and “known unknown” issues is considered against the singular benefit to avert symptoms in questionable potential at best. Tested on an uninformed populace, this is not a flag for public health. The use of the word “vaccine” and the magic bullet it has come to represent confounds the discussion as does its expeditious administration alongside an exponentially changing world. The brevity with which this technology was so recently produced is long forgotten and I, with many others, face the sobering fact that with a now live totalitarian Green Passport initiative, must choose which of my freedoms to concede, the loss of my self determination or my autonomy of body itself.
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    Midwest what have you done except try to tell us who disagree with you that we are wrong. Multiple individuals in this discussion helped raise almost $50,000 for small businesses in the UP; where were you. If I am correct you did not help in any way with that cause which shows your lack of compassion for your fellow man.

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    Mine iether, pot stirring tool!!! Is he!!

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    Kip n Workhard,AMEN, stand up America!

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    You are being used as test subjects for now....too each his own though...good luck if you get it early

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    Quote Originally Posted by 800etec View Post
    Kip n Workhard,AMEN, stand up America!
    I 2nd this! Stand up against these tyrants! Sad part is our voices do not matter with the current administration in office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemi_newman View Post
    I 2nd this! Stand up against these tyrants! Sad part is our voices do not matter with the current administration in office.
    I know what you are saying, but I think our voices do matter...we just need to figure out how to actually make an impact. We need delivery systems and people to deliver it. The left has been preparing for a very long time while the rest of us worked, raised families and stayed out of jail. We need to regroup and get organized and figure out how to respond to this BS and win back our freedoms, liberty and our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemi_newman View Post
    I 2nd this! Stand up against these tyrants! Sad part is our voices do not matter with the current administration in office.
    It didn't with the last administration either. They all talk the talk to get elected. But then don't walk the walk. Simply DISGUSTING

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    Walmart in Burlington, WI was giving Covid shots to walk ins using ladies fitting rooms. I was surprised to see this but good use of resources. Imo.

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    Seems no one can ever predict the future you wait for the black swan and say i told you so. the pharmacist and i spoke of the risk of falling off curbs also. i think curbs are too high sometimes.
    This could be a real eye opener at the FDA, i hope it turns everybody on they're heads because of the speed of drug development cost savings.
    Something that does worry me is if not enough compliance, we most certainly will have a Federal Department of Health Security and new ID cards.

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    I have a paper vaccination card that was given to me. No idea what I would use it for? Nothing has come up so far in my life’s activities that the card would be useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedust View Post
    I have a paper vaccination card that was given to me. No idea what I would use it for? Nothing has come up so far in my life’s activities that the card would be useful.
    Get it laminated and stick it in your wallet. That's what I did. There will come a time when you might need it.

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    Better teach your 2 year old how to wear a mask. It will become effective in MI on 4/26/21.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    Get it laminated and stick it in your wallet. That's what I did. There will come a time when you might need it.

    You better be wrong about that!!!  

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimcake View Post
    You better be wrong about that!!!
    Or you will soon be able to take that card to your veterinarian and have your Official ID chip installed free of charge!<br>

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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    Get it laminated and stick it in your wallet. That's what I did. There will come a time when you might need it.
    So far I don’t see a use for vaccination card. Maybe state governors might have a use but Federal government southern border is wide open anybody can come in with any disease so why would they care if citizens are carrying vaccination cards? Lol. I’ll keep the card but imo becomes more and more useless each day as more and more people are vaccinated. Getting close to herd immunity then on to the next variant vaccination just like the flu. Always been people that don’t get vaccinated nothing new with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedust View Post
    So far I donít see a use for vaccination card. Maybe state governors might have a use but Federal government Ö why would they care if citizens are carrying vaccination cards? Ö
    Why? So they can say: "Show me your papers!" (I'd insert a suitable emoji here, but with the presently screwed up forum software it is pointless to try.)<br>

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    I am close to Canada. The border is still shut down. They are even more off the deep end than us. When it finally does open again I can foresee that you will need a vaccination card to cross back and forth. Also airports will need them if you want to travel to different countries that are just as paranoid as Canada. Who knows??? Before this is all done you might need one to vote or enter a federal building. Unless you are an illegal alien or a lawless felon. Then you won't need a card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    I am close to Canada. The border is still shut down. They are even more off the deep end than us. When it finally does open again I can foresee that you will need a vaccination card to cross back and forth. Also airports will need them if you want to travel to different countries that are just as paranoid as Canada. Who knows??? Before this is all done you might need one to vote or enter a federal building. Unless you are an illegal alien or a lawless felon. Then you won't need a card.
    Yep I agree it maybe necessary to show you have been vaccinated for Covid for international travel but nationally I don’t see a need and less need as more people are vaccinated as time goes by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedust View Post
    Yep I agree it maybe necessary to show you have been vaccinated for Covid for international travel but nationally I don’t see a need and less need as more people are vaccinated as time goes by.
    The need for a vaccine card is already here. The natives want to see your vaccine card. I can easily see this spreading to "mask" or "no mask." At the door show your vaccine card get a no mask bracelet like they do for those under 21 and you will be all set. No card wear a mask while in the casino.
    https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rap...-covid-19.html

    https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/03/k...accinated.html
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    I will just stay out of casino's and no worries.No need for me to buy the Natives as you call them, new shoes with my hard earned money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    The need for a vaccine card is already here. The natives want to see your vaccine card. I can easily see this spreading to "mask" or "no mask." At the door show your vaccine card get a no mask bracelet like they do for those under 21 and you will be all set. No card wear a mask while in the casino.
    https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rap...-covid-19.html

    https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/03/k...accinated.html
    I care less what casinos do with vaccination cards and masks since I don’t frequent them. All this nonsense will come to an end very soon as we establish herd immunity. More people are seen around town without masks in WI and businesses are looking the other way. Walmart removed all the 6 feet floor spacing stickers and directional flow arrows so that broadcasts restrictions are over and stores want to get back to normal.

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    Buffalo Bills are going to require a vaccine card to get into the stadium. Will the Packers do the same?
    https://www.wisn.com/article/covid-1...beau/36124421#

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    maybe then the over paid SOBS will go broke when no one goes............PERFECT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Buffalo Bills are going to require a vaccine card to get into the stadium. Will the Packers do the same? https://www.wisn.com/article/covid-1...beau/36124421#
    Aren't packers fans, owners. They should have the vote

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    Football games more than 6 months away Pandemic could be a bad memory by then. I wouldn’t worry about vac cards now mine becomes more useless each day. Lol

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    Amen 800etec!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 800etec View Post
    maybe then the over paid SOBS will go broke when no one goes............PERFECT
    100% spot on! The irony is the vaccine supporting COVID Cry'ers are thinking that if the non-vaccine people can't get in then they will get the seats cheaper! It's beyond hilarious how "they" think!

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    I give Favre a lot of credit for standing up and giving his 2 cents on what everyone else is thinking. Politics has ruined sports and it's sickening. Good leaders have always instilled a calmness like a parent does with a child. Not in this country, they would rather panic you and unfortunately the sheep have followed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kip View Post
    I give Favre a lot of credit for standing up and giving his 2 cents on what everyone else is thinking. Politics has ruined sports and it's sickening. Good leaders have always instilled a calmness like a parent does with a child. Not in this country, they would rather panic you and unfortunately the sheep have followed.

    On the bold.  Its a damn dirty shame.  I thought the NHL would be the last sacred sport.  But even the Wild canceled games because of BLM....  https://forum.johndee.com/vbulletin/...951&stc=1&#34; attachmentid="62951" alt="" id="vbattach_62951" class="previewthumb">
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    Quote Originally Posted by kip View Post
    Politics has ruined snowmobile message forums and it's sickening.
    Fixed it for ya! You give Favre credit?! He's been out the league for how long? The dude golfs with Trump. You didn't think everyone knows that's his stance already? What does Favre have to lose to come out and state that? In regards to your comments about good leadership installing a calmness, that is the exact reason we have a new president.

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    And away we go.

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    Went to local menards Saturday and before I got both feet in the door the mask Nazi's were all over me reminding masks are mandatory.
    If I'm vaccinated and the science says once your vaccinated your immune from covid then where is the science?
    I was told "we're going to follow the science"
    They like to follow the "science" when is fits their narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisco-mb View Post

    Fixed it for ya!

    You give Favre credit?! He's been out the league for how long? The dude golfs with Trump. You didn't think everyone knows that's his stance already? What does Favre have to lose to come out and state that?


    In regards to your comments about good leadership installing a calmness, that is the exact reason we have a new president.
    You serious Clark? I suppose slow Joe is calm if nothing else.

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    Just hope the murdering cop in Minneapolis is convicted of at least something or all h*ll is going to break loose. In fact, if he isn't convicted of the most serious charge, I predict all h*ll will break loose anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisco-mb View Post
    Fixed it for ya! You give Favre credit?! He's been out the league for how long? The dude golfs with Trump. You didn't think everyone knows that's his stance already? What does Favre have to lose to come out and state that? In regards to your comments about good leadership installing a calmness, that is the exact reason we have a new president.
    The new President is not installing calm at all. Quite the opposite actually.
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    Oh...Oh...Oh...the hurt, i’m starting to suffer from NSRDBD, No Snowmobile Riding Depression Blues Disorder, in addition to SPWSWNG, Sharing Politics With Snowmobilers With Nothing Good...Oh the agony.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Just hope the murdering cop in Minneapolis is convicted of at least something or all h*ll is going to break loose. In fact, if he isn't convicted of the most serious charge, I predict all h*ll will break loose anyway.
    What rock have you been living under? Smarter people than you have been predicting riots from the day it happened no matter what the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    What rock have you been living under? Smarter people than you have been predicting riots from the day it happened no matter what the outcome.
    Yep, rioting, fires, looting, you name it, the outcome doesn't matter, it's going to happen.

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    The <em>protesters</em> will be out in full force protesting and picking up some goodies using the no payment plan

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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    What rock have you been living under? Smarter people than you have been predicting riots from the day it happened no matter what the outcome.
    Has nothing to do with the original post, just another example of his incessant and blatant pot-stirring and why we #DontFeedTheTrolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timo View Post
    Went to local menards Saturday and before I got both feet in the door the mask Nazi's were all over me reminding masks are mandatory.
    If I'm vaccinated and the science says once your vaccinated your immune from covid then where is the science?
    I was told "we're going to follow the science"
    They like to follow the "science" when is fits their narrative.
    It seems as though "Nazi" types are the reason we have this Covid 19, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timo View Post
    Went to local menards Saturday and before I got both feet in the door the mask Nazi's were all over me reminding masks are mandatory.
    If I'm vaccinated and the science says once your vaccinated your immune from covid then where is the science?
    I was told "we're going to follow the science"
    They like to follow the "science" when is fits their narrative.
    I quit going to Menards for that reason. I now go to the local hardware store where they don’t require face diapers. Plus it helps the smaller guy keep his business going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grub View Post
    ...Smarter people than you have been predicting riots
    Well THAT wouldn't take much of a search now would it?



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    Don’t have any clue what u mean.

    All I was told is we were gonna flatten the curve,,, and follow the science.,,,, ehh?


    Quote Originally Posted by old abe View Post
    It seems as though "Nazi" types are the reason we have this Covid 19, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timo View Post
    Went to local menards Saturday and before I got both feet in the door the mask Nazi's were all over me reminding masks are mandatory. If I'm vaccinated and the science says once your vaccinated your immune from covid then where is the science? I was told "we're going to follow the science" They like to follow the "science" when is fits their narrative.
    What I heard about the vaccines when they were being approved (for emergency use), was it keeps you from getting severely sick and out of the hospital. I take that as you can still catch it, pass it to others. They don't talk about that now. So more of the lying political crap. All a bunch of hypocrites. SO DISGUSTED BY IT ALL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Just hope the murdering cop in Minneapolis is convicted of at least something or all h*ll is going to break loose. In fact, if he isn't convicted of the most serious charge, I predict all h*ll will break loose anyway.
    its that type of thought process why I hope I never face a jury of my peers and why I hope someone who may know who you are removes you from ever possibly serving on any jury

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    Hey wisco thanks for the education. I actually didn't know Favre golfed with Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Just hope the murdering cop in Minneapolis is convicted of at least something or all h*ll is going to break loose. In fact, if he isn't convicted of the most serious charge, I predict all h*ll will break loose anyway.
    Murdering cop? You should try reading the coroner's report and watching the body cam footage.

    Fact: Floyd had potentially fatal levels of fentanyl in his system, along with methamphetamine and other drugs
    Fact: Floyd was repeating "I can't breathe" long before he was placed on the ground, which is consistent with fentanyl overdose
    Fact: coroner did not list "asphyxiation" as a cause of death
    Fact: you can't strangle someone with a knee to the back half of the neck, it needs to be on the windpipe or the carotid artery, which are both towards the front of the neck.
    Fact: Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system
    Fact: fentanyl can be fatal as low as 3 ng/mL

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    What you have there are facts.  The liberal media and people like MP don't let facts get in the way of narrative....  Never let a good crisis go to waste....  Makes me want to puke!!   

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    I sure hope we have plenty of snow next year for everyone. Hope to get alot of miles & smiles next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timo View Post
    Don’t have any clue what u mean.

    All I was told is we were gonna flatten the curve,,, and follow the science.,,,, ehh?
    Perhaps, can you say "China", eh! Much more closely to being Nazi's than is Menards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Just hope the murdering cop in Minneapolis is convicted of at least something or all h*ll is going to break loose. In fact, if he isn't convicted of the most serious charge, I predict all h*ll will break loose anyway.
    Looks like they already started their mostly peaceful protests.

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