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    Default Need input for landscaping/building a tree barrier between neighbor

    In next year or two I plan on building a 30 foot tree barrier between my and my neighbor.

    Balsam trees have been recommended, since deer do not eat them. Can anyone recommend trees or landscapers that specialize in this? I would like to see tree barrier pictures if possible to get some ideas. I am getting quotes of $379 for an 6 ft tree, and $529 for an 8 ft tree...., and $649 for a 10 ft tree....I figure I would need 6 trees, or if the price is right, 6 trees staggard, with 4 more offset between the 6...

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    I like cedar trees for this. They grow really fast. Buy some 3 foot tall cedar trees and plant them your self. No need to pay those outrageous prices.https://savvygardening.com/best-trees-for-privacy/

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    I saw a herd of deer on trail 15 n from IR munching on wild balsams so don’t think deer won’t eat balsams. Trees were being harvested in that area so the air was rich with pine scent and it was dead of winter so the deer herds came in a big way to eat. Deer get hungry and they become opportunistic and their Tastes change year to year.

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    I'm curious to see what you find. Do you have a full sun location? Also wondering about space considerations? Assuming the 30' is the length of the row?

    We have a small depth back yard that was nicely filled in with buckthorn and trash trees. It made a great barrier, but little usable yard.
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    We cleaned out the trash and left the oaks in 2003. It also left a perfect view of the neighbors.
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    The plan was to plant something that wouldn't take up too much yard, grow relatively fast, and take the summer shade/winter sun.
    We used columnar arborvitae called Rushmore because it sorta covered the bases. The tallest we could find were roughly six foot and planted in 2004.
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    They did grow relatively fast with a narrow profile and held up to winter sun.
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    They do have a couple weaknesses for our situation. The oaks are shading the ends of the row making the arborvitae grow slower and are less durable. This variety also struggles with wet heavy snow loads. It grows with a multi column trunk that is more prone to bending with snow. We initially tried using snow fence wrap, but quit as they grew too tall. Knocking heavy snow off does prevent collapse, but it is a job.

    They do provide an improved privacy especially with the current height. We would also like to upgrade with something that would provide the same type of cover without the weaknesses.

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    The prices are very good. You pay a little more for the size, but it's worth it. It takes about 3 years for trees to start growing once they are planted. (Year one they sleep, Year 2 they creep, and Year 3 they leap!) Deer should stay away from the balsam. Deer love arborvitae! I've seen damage even on cedars when the winter is bad. The spacing should be 13' o.c. staggered. It'll take about 5-6 years to completely fill in. You can plant cheaper deciduous shrubs in between to temporarily fill in the gaps. (Viburnum, Honeysuckle, Forsythia). (I have a landscaping background)

    I hope that helps

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    well my 2 cents
    things to consider before picking a tree/shrub or likes, is
    what is the soil PH like, and how much sunlight or shade will the new plantings be getting
    as NOT all things will grow in dirt that doesn't have the correct PH or soil type(sandy, rocky and so on)
    nor will things grow is they get too much sun or too little
    next is HOW wet is the area?

    I am not a landscaper, but have a lot of experience farming and growing things

    as for deer, I have seem them eat everything there claimed they WON"T< many times it comes down to food supply, if lots of other normal foods are about, they tend to leave landscaped tree's and shrubs alone, UNLESS there either better tasting .better quality of foods in area, or, you just get a few deer that have odd taste buds!
    30+ yrs of managing many properties for deer hunting, has proven this to me time and time again
    deer will eat anything if they find they like the taste of it
    but they do normally have a desired prime food source they use mostly for there needs!

    SO again, before offering a tree'shrub for as privacy like shield, more info is honestly needed, or you can be planting things that will not grow and just be wasting your time and $$$

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    also ask yourself, do you want to be having to maintain them, as in trimming every yr or other yr< do you want to be able to shape them
    and then keep in mind most tree/shrubs and such also grow outwards and not just UP
    meaning if you plant on edge of property line a LOT of the new planting's branches will end up on neighbors side, and in most states legally that land owner can cut as they want , which can kill things or prevent things from do much as a shield/fence privacy barrier!

    so add that into planning before planting!

    Privacy fence might be a option here too, 6 ft tall or taller if legally allowed!

    I just did 250 ft of it, due to a new neighbor that moved in after old one passed away and is not very friendly,as old one was LOL!

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    My neighbor and I are on a lake. The neighbor is to my left, and our houses are close to the lake. The distance to block visibility between our houses is around 30 feet. Think of two cottages close together. Our houses use to be cottages. We are good friends as well. So, the thinking is to get something there to block the view between our lots when we walk out of houses.

    I had a guy plant some arbor vitae years ago (just 4 trees) , on both sides of my neighbors and they did not grow and or deer ate them. So I want to see pictures of what a landscaper can do before I commit more serious money to my project.
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    costs like 9 bucks, to do a soil test, and that will tell you what the soil can grow better!
    here is a link to one place that does them for you
    BUT many states have soil conservation depts that will do them for FREE too
    soils matter when it comes to growing anything!

    https://www.plantbiologic.com/produc...plot-soil-test

    and then again, see how much sun light the area gets, and be honest with it, does it get 10 hrs a day 5, 3 and NOT just before leaves grow, think about how it is come full gren up

    and then think about how WET the site gets and stays!

    the key to anything growing right is, pretty simple
    it needs the right nutrients in the soil, the right about of moisture and sunlight
    NOT all things will tolerate to even grow, never mind strive in poor soil conditions and lack of or too much sunlight!


    people cam sell you anything that they SEEN work , but without the real details, you can be wasting your time and money!
    and just cause it worked for "X" person won;t mean it will work for you, as again soils matter!

    back to deer< some species of three's and shrubs and such are more tolerant to browsing than others, but if there isn;t much better food about for them, they will destroy planted things, deer don't care what it costs you, there just trying to live!
    best way to stop this is, fencing them off till there more mature and can handle the stress of the browsing!
    nature of the beast, deer eat every day, and once they fond something they like, they will come back again and again till its gone!

    countless city folks move into rural and country area's and find this out the costly way, planting things is like open salad bar to deer at times, and there eating on your dime!

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    looking at your pictures ,and NOT knowing for sure
    it looks like its a rather shady area, it also looks like NOT much is growing there, due to all the exposed dirt
    which right off says to me, its got soil issue's and the LOW sunlight getting to things, isn;'t helping!

    so again, do yourself a favor, have a soil test done
    then do some research on what type of tree/shrub you want to TRY and use, and see what soil they need, and how much sunlight they require to strive
    or what ever you plant will end up dying and not growing!

    soils can be adjusted and raised or lowered pending what is needed, but it takes TIME for things to work

    an example is, (based on seems like lots of pine in area)
    odds are the soil will have very low PH levels, and that is why not much will grow in it
    ad din lots of shade and , growing anything will be an issue

    if soil PH is LOW< it can be raised , but its NOT magic, it takes time to allow additives(lime and such) to actually work, and then stabilize and it will be needed to add some from time to time
    and then there are nutrients that maybe needed to allow what ever you plant to grow(plants tree's all need nutrients to grow and stay alive and growing)

    if your NOT willing to do a soil test, all you will be doing is gambling on your possible what ever your going to plant growing!
    and could just be more wasted $$ and time on your part

    as even with soil test results, it STILL takes time to FIX the soil to allow something to grow and stay growing and alive!

    NO landscaper can READ soil levels without a soil test, all they will do is be guessing and spending YOUR money!

    IF you want immediate privacy, a fence is the route to go

    if you want to gamble on what to PLANT again
    My suggestion will be Canadian hemlock
    There known to grow in many soil types and do OK
    BUT when you take a fast growing privacy tree like this and plant it in poor soil, it will NOT grow very fast, and it risks dying as well
    as being dug up and re planted, is very stressful, and being placed in poorer soils, doesn't help it recover very well
    and is why many plantings fail!

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    You may be very correct on the soil issue. I had a landscaper plant a tree on other side of my lot and it did not grow, and is twisted at the head.
    But some trees have grown naturally on the other side of my lot and by driveway....

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    soils can change in a few feet
    so, that could be why some areas things grow fine and others not
    same with how much sun shine an area gets, how well it hold or drains moisture and so on!

    pine needles dropping in an area tend to lower PH level very low making few things able to grow well near them, add in shade from the tree's and things get worse
    this is why you never see anything growing under a pine tree, the longer/older a pine tree is, the more its area effects area;s around it!
    I own property with lots of pine tree's
    I also have tons of fruits trees and other things I have planted and grown for decades

    but having soil sample done again is fast easy and cheap and can save you expense of GUESSING on what MIGHT work!

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    I wonder if a fake hedge would work as well...anybody have these fake hedges?? Can probably bring them in the winter....

    https://www.wayfair.com/decor-pillow...001417473.html

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    they will fade with time and weather, and get brittle and fall apart if removed often!

    and to many they kinda of cheesy

    neighbor here had them and after a yr or two tore them down


    OR??
    maybe some artificial X mas tree's
    being about a lake and all, you can maybe get away with having light on them all summer too HAHA!

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    just another thought for you,. have you considered maybe a retaining wall ?
    a big Heavy stone wall will be fast and can be some what cheap pending how fancy you want it
    they sell pretty nice one's near me, there 3 ft tall, 6( or 3) ft long and 2 ft thick, and inter lock, they have them with faces on them like river rock and or bricks and other designs
    and are about 65-75 bucks each, they do weight about 1500 lbs for small ones and about twice that on larger
    but it would be a easy deal, level site, add a base gravel, place and done
    never a worry about growing, dying or any real weather issue's

    and should last a life time and then some!
    they can be found on Craigslist some times, or face book market place( I have seen them as low as 35 bucks a block on the smaller one)
    or possibly locally
    they come in assorted sizes and styles as well as being pre cast built or cut lime stone, so prices can vary

    but a decent landscaper contractor should know where to get them

    but is another possible idea, so food for thought maybe?


    a few quick vids as some examples

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSpU82ENl1U

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    Yeah you may have a problem growing anything in that soil. How about build up a large raised bed using some kind of rock/brick 3 ft ( or 4 ft )high by 3 ft wide by the length you need. Or line up a few of those galvanized feed troughs filled with some good growing soil with drain holes. That will give you an instant 3 ft height. Add some arborvitae or what ever and bango ya got instant 6 ft high coverage.

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    The retaining wall is an interesting idea, any ideas on cost for a 30 foot wall ? ...could maybe do a berm as well....

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    as fior cost it will come down to how close or far away the big blocks are too you and what the vendors ask for them
    I again have seen them as cheap as 35 bucks and as much as 100 each,
    so figure if you get the 5-6 ft long one's(they also vary in size based on who makes them)
    most I have seen are 2 or 3 ft high
    so, just do the math, 1 or two rows, pending size,
    if you can get them say for 100 bucks each(top of the prices I have seen) and get 6 ft long one, 3 ft tall, you would need 10 blocks, so that's a grand
    add in having a landscaper come or someone with a machine to both level site, add some gravel(gravel run 10 bucks a ton here NOT delivered, and delivered might run about 75?bucks
    But I would think a willing to work landscaper would do something like this for well under 2 grand, as once site has a decent base and is level, , them blocks go together super fast and its a easy deal for them
    most likely take them longer to unload and load the equipment than place them LOL

    as for building a raised bed,!~
    that can work pending what you plant, but if your planting any type op tree or most shrubs like, that will fail in time as the roots will need to grow and they will push out the bricks of a raised bed
    seen it happen
    roots are powerful things as they grow!, and most tree's will have roots needing to grow well pas the 4 ft from trunk over time
    seen roots lift houses/foundations and such, so a small raise bed walls don;t hold a chance IMO!

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    another option maybe could be stone gabion caged walls,(they can be filled with all sorts fo things to, from river rocks, to gravel to??) some think they look nicer, but they will cost more than a block wall

    they also have some very fancy nice looking metal fence these days too, the price of things will be based on what materials used for the metal and the posts, but they do be fast quick privacy and long lasting low maintenance options

    and also, the big blocks, are some times called BIN blocks, if your looking for them!

    but pic's of rock gabion cages and metal fencing idea's

    picwall.jpg walls.jpg wall2.jpg wall3.jpg

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    I think a somewhat high retaining wall is the best option from what I can see with no plants, or maybe put a tree or two near the wall. I like a wall brick type that is "golden cedar yellow" looking, as I like cedar, the key now is how high can the wall go? Are walls restricted like height of fences? I would build it 12 feet high if I could....If you guys find any nice looking yellow honey cedar pics of walls, send them to me. I really appreciate all the suggestions so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by james88 View Post
    I think a somewhat high retaining wall is the best option from what I can see with no plants, or maybe put a tree or two near the wall. I like a wall brick type that is "golden cedar yellow" looking, as I like cedar, the key now is how high can the wall go? Are walls restricted like height of fences? I would build it 12 feet high if I could....If you guys find any nice looking yellow honey cedar pics of walls, send them to me. I really appreciate all the suggestions so far.
    I am thinking something like this with redi-rock.....little higher though....can also put plants or something on top of it in summer...

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    I would put a nice row of fire wood , looks good , tell him he can help himself , never a complaint then

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    legally as far as I know, how HIGH you can go will be based on what you BUILD or not and what zoning laws in your area allow

    a FENCE in most places legally cannot be more than 6 ft tall, OR maybe should say one solid piece of wall taller than 6 ft, as I have known a few folks that went taller, but to get approval they had to use two sections of fence ( have some here 9 ft+ the same way)
    as for a retaining wall, this I again gather will come down to zoning , but as of now know of ZERO setting on them
    my retaining wall I have here is about 9-10 ft in some places due to lay of the land, and how much I back filled in a slope I have

    I also wanted to keep neighbors from being able to see as they walked out there door, and due to there pl;ace being higher than mine, it took me to 8 ft and went a ft taller,a s was just easier to cut 6 ft tall sections in half to do so for me!


    Most of the info I know of on the BIN BLOCK< or large retaining wall stones, is, most can be stacked safely up to about 14 ft, or that's what they claim on many web sites, as I did look into using them when I was building my retaining wall, but ended up getting a super deal on some huge railroad bridge timbers(12x12 inch, x15 ft long, 800+ lbs each and they were just easier for me to work with alone so used them instead, but almost went with the bin blocks due to both price and long term life of them, my retaining wall I know ill fail down the road, I HOPE not till I kick the bucket and be someone else problem, or that"s what I hope!LOL

    as for pictures of cedar fencing, if you do a image search there are thousands of options, here are a few for you I found , and there were thousands of designs to view, these are a few different types as examples for you!
    the only issue I see with using WOOD fence like this, even cedar, is due to the shade that seems like its there a LOT< odds are your going to have green algae/mold grow on them, and to get rid of that it tends to take spraying something like bleach on them, to kill it, and that will maybe ruin the coloring after being stained, its just part of having wood in a shaded moist area(water from lake will make it more moist and this WILL happen)
    it will also grow on anything you place there IMO<
    stone however can be sprayed and issue free!
    they do sell some more special sprays that maybe more safe to use(I know Vodka works well if you want to waste it LOL)
    look at trunks of tree's in like area's and see if there is GREEN on bark

    things that get a lot of shade just get this on them



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    also, odds are you can also just POUR a concrete wall too?(costs might be pretty higher for this due to need of good forms and all and might need a building permit to do so as well, so before so anything, check into that as if not, and a neighbor complains, you could end up with a fine or having to tear it down and doing over again!


    maybe even hire some local school/collage students in the art classes to paint something nice on BOTH sides
    heck might even be a tax credit you can get for doing so HAHA!

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    Today i saw someone with a 6 ft fence, and it had tall arbor vitae shrubs around it, maybe 20- 30 feet in the air. The bottom areas of the shrub were trimmed off, or possibly deer ate them, but once above a certain height, the deer can not get at tit. Are their places then can deliver these tall shrubs , that are already 20 feet tall?
    I understand it may cost $$$$. But that would be the best of both worlds, 6ft retaining wall, with tall shrubs around it, already grown...

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    I have known of a few places that will sell 10-16 ft tall tree's
    but the costs are crazy, and there is also a large mortality rate on transplanting the tree's
    , and again if your soil is not healthy to support them, it will be a LOT of money down the drain!

    also keep in mind a 12+ ft tree will have a root ball about that wide, so a hole will need to be dug as wide as the root system, so the tree;'s would have to be placed first and THEN the wall

    tree dies, you'll be digging wall up to remove roots!


    deer can reach up to about 6 ft off the ground standing on hind legs to reach things, just a FYI for you on that!


    and lots of pine tree's end up loosing the ground up layers of branches , when in more shady area's due to lack of light to allow them to continue to grow!

    so many times pines in shaded area's end up with a branch system that starts off a ft or so from the ground and as time passes, ends up a few feet up before you get branches to STAY green and growing!
    which doesn't help at all provide a barrier from eyes to see onto your side!

    my one property original owner planted pines all around the whole property 60+ yrs ago
    NONE have any GREEN branches left below the 5+ ft mark
    and this again is common when dealing with pine tree's growing in places that get few few hours of sunlight

    photosynthesis , is the process of what it takes for plants to live, and they need sunlight to make it happen
    shaded area's end up with sunlight only hitting parts or one side of tree's and thus, parts of pines stop staying green from lack of sunlight!

    I have planted a few thousand pine tree's over the yrs, along with other types for habitat improvement projects(did over a thousand for yrs on one site alone, so have a little experience in planting tree;'s , from seedlings to larger one's!)

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    Ok, what about putting some indoor/outdoor xmas trees on top of a 6 foot retaining wall? These can be used outdoors....And some xmas trees are 9 feet high...and take them off in winter....

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    Question:

    I have two small Colorado Spruce Trees that were doing very well for two seasons now. Landscaper added mulch and now they are turning brown. This is all within a 6 week period. ( plenty of water )
    Can adding mulch cause them to die? The Boxwoods in between haven't been affected. ( my suspicion is that there's something in the new mulch that's causing harm to the trees)

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    yes adding mulch can kill things or cause issues, as mock colored mulch is dyed and pending the make up of the dye used it can possible pollute the soil under it and cause stress to the tree
    it also effect how the tree gets water now,a s more layers for water to get thru to hit the ground
    OR can be holding too much water and that isn;t good either!

    tree's are like any living thing, they need "X:" nutrients, too much ot too little causes them to stress and or possibly die!

    and by the way Pine tree's typically get ALL there water needs thru there needles NOT roots
    BUT there roots will pick up the nutrients in the soil which feeds the whole tree!

    so when watering them you mostly need to water the tree not the ground about it, pending HOW long its been sine rain any how!

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    A number of great suggestions by people here. What my wife and I have done at the various properties we have owned over the years is simple. Understand the soil characteristics is paramount as mentioned. Locate a landscaper or local garden center that is “native plants” only and see what those plants are. Big thing is finding out what grows native in your area and also benefits not introduction invasive plants. Lastly look at your main points of view - areas you will occupy most of the time and stager plants. Case in point at our current home on a lake we have the same thing with close homes and one of those points we addressed was our patio. We have a Nine Bark then 10’ toward the neighbor and off to the side a magnolia, then another 10’ toward the neighbor is a clump river birch. All three when looking that direction from the patio mask/diffuse the neighbors. The other side of our home has been a rental $hithol@ for years. There we did the solid in a line arborvitie because they always have some form of junk laying around and our kitchen window stares at it.

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    Right now, I am very much leaning toward building a 5 feet retaining wall (or berm?) and put the fake outdoor trees on top. Something like the attached pic, but I really don't want to mess with planting things...and would like to put the fake outdoor trees on top.

    I have ordered one tree to see how it looks outside. The trees are 7ft high, and 4 feet 3 inches wide. Here are the possible trees
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Costway-...9723/314322637

    1. Will this look stupid?
    2. How to fasten the trees on top? Burlap bags with weights and a covering ? Or drill a cirlcle hole down into the top concrete block and slide it down?
    3. What about staggered trees on top to totally block the view above 5 feet? Just make the top of the wall have a flat panel top that one can place
    staggered trees or other bushes on top?

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    Ok I know I mentioned using fake X mas tree's
    That said, , keep this in mind
    them tree's all have metal the fake needles attach too, and that will rust out pretty fast
    the fake needles , odds are are NOT made to be outside and doubt they will hold up any amount of time, to the elements and or lightning/UV
    so what ever they MIGHT look like day one, day 20-50-90, odds are they will NOT look the same for long!


    NOW< if you really wanted to go this route, its NOT hard to get them to stay put
    odd are you can simply stake a heavy duty pipe or likes in the all as you build it, and then just attach the tree's to them,. and have them so they can be taken down at will


    if it was ME< I think I would just do a 6 ft tall wall of some sorts, be it a privacy fence, or stone/rock,bin ben, block deal
    at 6 ft tall
    few folks are that tall to see well over it, so it will block 99% of any views from there side to yours and vise versa!
    if you really wanted, you can maybe then add some fake flowers in pots

    a good strong wall, as time passes you can get as creative as you want to make it taller by adding what ever!

    fake X mas tree's
    IMO< will look cheesy pretty fast and rust out and just be a waste of your money!


    another CRAZY idea, , build a wall like you have in your pic here, and add some Elephant grass to it?
    that crap grows like a weed in many places and since you will be filling the wall in with dirt, USE GOOD ORGANIC top soil
    and it should have plenty of nutrients to allow it to strive
    it cam grow 14+ ft tall?

    there are also other things you can plant that will grow on there own and keep things higher and even add some color or flowers at times! and be pretty much maintenance free!
    building the all like this, your biggest factor in what will grow will be SUNLIGHT

    a good landscaping provider should be able to advice you on what grows well in your area in the amount of sunlight you have there
    as again, the wall will be FILLED with GOOD SOIL , , so things should grow then not having to worry about soil on site!

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    another idea if you like this
    since you planning to BUILD a wall
    you can also add a waterfall if you wanted that recycles water , it will add a sound effect to the wall and your back yard LOL can also be like a bench to sit by on

    running water in them doesn't attract mosquito's either like standing water does!
    and if NOT a water fall, what about a water fountain on top to work as as shield of sorts??


    can also add some colored light to it as well!
    if your spending $$ get all you want while its being built, rather than WHAT IF< after the fact! HAHA!



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    I am going to put the fake tree I receive this week outside and see how it holds up in the summer and how it looks outside. Like you say, with a wall, there are plenty of options to put on top, and you have the privacy of the wall as they grow (if I put real plants up top).

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    Do the soil test. Look around your area and see what's doing well. Take a walk in the woods, look for an area that has similar amount of sunlight to where you want to plant. Dig up a few and plant them now. The smaller the tree to start with, the better it will transplant. Yes it might take a couple years to get the height you want, but in the long run it will be worth it. Zero cost, and much better looking than an artificial tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katden4 View Post
    Do the soil test. Look around your area and see what's doing well. Take a walk in the woods, look for an area that has similar amount of sunlight to where you want to plant. Dig up a few and plant them now. The smaller the tree to start with, the better it will transplant. Yes it might take a couple years to get the height you want, but in the long run it will be worth it. Zero cost, and much better looking than an artificial tree.
    I agree with some of this!

    However, but be careful, digging up and removing tree's from both private and public lands that ain't your's,. as it can be be ILLEGAL,

    might seem silly and maybe no one will see or ever know or care(and I believe in the gray area in life ,so ain't throwing any stones here!)


    but just saying , it is illegal in most states to do so!


    Its just IMO< always best to know the risks before doing things HAHA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by james88 View Post
    I am going to put the fake tree I receive this week outside and see how it holds up in the summer and how it looks outside. Like you say, with a wall, there are plenty of options to put on top, and you have the privacy of the wall as they grow (if I put real plants up top).
    if plans are to leave outside yr round at some point, you can maybe add some climbing vines to the fake tree's to help add some more realistic looks to them, many of them will do good in shade and less than great soils, but it comes down to what type you use as with any planting,
    it has to be able to live off what the soil there has in it and amount of sunlight it gets!

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    I put in a row of burning bushes several years back for this purpose. They are now over 6 feet tall and no see neighbors. They attract lightning bugs in the summer (quite the light show) and are beautiful in the fall.

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    I really like the advice from katden4. Partially because I'm cheap and partially because of the practical reality.
    Sun and soil are sorta important to plants. Money is sorta important to my wallet.

    I live with a gardener. I give her credit for doing the research on garden plants for our heavy shade situation. She has tried a few that "might" work with very limited success. Shade is a surprisingly effective plant inhibitor. The sun loving plant experiments have been meh, at best.

    Sounds like you are looking at a wide variety of options mainly aimed at privacy. There are some weedy climbing vines that would grow like crazy in your situation. Any fence, wall, or artificial trees could serve as a structure. I've dealt with five leaf ivy on a few properties. It sure does make an effective barrier. I can't argue about its ability to grow. I've left the base plants on a few border fences and just "burn off" the stragglers with 2,4D. Spot spraying and an occasional snip keep it under control.
    I've also had to deal with a few "weedy" plants that my gardening addict planted. I wouldn't wish those on my enemies. Control can turn into a never ending battle. Choose wisely.
    Dang, mrbb got to some of this while I was typing.
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    The fake xmas tree arrived. Here are two pics of it.

    Pros: The color is really good looking green.
    There is some blockage from tree, took a while to spruce out the wires.

    Cons: Will 20 trees in a row or staggered provide enough blockage if they are place on top of a free standing wall?
    I thought it would be a wider tree

    Just have to find the best fake tree for the money involved. Attached is also a nice pic of cypress trees in a perimeter wall.fake tree 2.jpgCypress-trees-provide-privacy-to-a-pool-area.jpg
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    I think the amount of money you will spend on these fake tree's setting up,. taking down, and all, would be way better spent on something else

    if you plan to remove them in winter time, do you have a place to store them all, as , I am guessing to make a decent shield out of them 30 ft long, your looking at maybe 20 tree's?
    say a 100 bucks each, that's 2 grand
    add in as weather picks at them and they need to be replaced or fade or??


    will add this too for more food for thought HAHA!
    if you build a nice brig wall, maybe build a big fire pit/BBQ into it, and get more use out of it to maybe help justify things

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    Yes, I agree. Get some type of wall built, 5-6 ft, and that will be a solid barrier. Then keep eyes open for maybe some artificial or real shrubs to maybe plant on top to get it to 9 feet.......

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