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    Default Sno-Eagles Raise annual club dues to....

    $50, from $35, a 42.8% increase. Talk about a bunch of greedy clowns, they just priced themselves right out of the trail pass business. I called and emailed my displeasure, but of course they don't GAS. I can go directly to the state and pay $60 to get 2, where it would cost me $70 to deal with the bureaucratic BS of join club, wait for processing, get membership confirmed, then file with DNR. Total idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus View Post
    $50, from $35, a 42.8% increase. Talk about a bunch of greedy clowns, they just priced themselves right out of the trail pass business. I called and emailed my displeasure, but of course they don't GAS. I can go directly to the state and pay $60 to get 2, where it would cost me $70 to deal with the bureaucratic BS of join club, wait for processing, get membership confirmed, then file with DNR. Total idiots.
    Mathematicaly they are shooting themselves in the foot. Don't they understand that the vast majority of the newbies are there only for the discount?

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    Could be that they are just a bunch of volunteers working for nothing doing loads of work every year keeping the trails in great shape for everyone to enjoy and their club needs money. Maybe they foresee a shortfall coming from the state this coming year in funding? Maybe they need to raise money to fix or maintain a groomer. Most if not all the time we use our own equipment, Chainsaws, our own gas, tools, etc.
    I guess there are a lot of reasons but $15.00 isn't going to hurt anyone's pocket book in my opinion. Clubs for the most part are run by older guys, I know, I'm one of them but its something that I like to do and we could always use a little more money in the account for things like I mentioned above. This message wasn't meant to start anything, just another point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pclark View Post
    Could be that they are just a bunch of volunteers working for nothing doing loads of work every year keeping the trails in great shape for everyone to enjoy and their club needs money. Maybe they foresee a shortfall coming from the state this coming year in funding? Maybe they need to raise money to fix or maintain a groomer. Most if not all the time we use our own equipment, Chainsaws, our own gas, tools, etc.
    I guess there are a lot of reasons but $15.00 isn't going to hurt anyone's pocket book in my opinion. Clubs for the most part are run by older guys, I know, I'm one of them but its something that I like to do and we could always use a little more money in the account for things like I mentioned above. This message wasn't meant to start anything, just another point of view.
    Spot on! And thank you.

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    Really $15 is going to send you to the poor house. Just like my club. All the older people doing all the work.

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    Wow.....just wow.

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    $15 extra dollars to go towards club efforts - hmmm - doesn’t sound like much of a price to pay for cleared flat groomed trails to me, but what do I know.

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    I know fund raising last year was very difficult as a number of events were cancelled and fund raising is needed and helps a ton to keep clubs going and maybe they are offsetting that,  although I do not know their specific reason and would think they would share why. I totally get that it downer to see rates go up but what is getting cheaper nowadays. 

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    Those are the kind of increases I don’t mind

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    $100 would still be an incredible bargain due to the fact that most clubs still have good volunteers. But since membership was linked to a trail pass discount, that is what it is being used for by many. When club dues go up those free loaders won't see any benefit to joining any longer and it might result in an actual loss of revenue from that source. The only way that type of member sticks around is if trail pass cost go up at the same time. Good thing club dues are just a small portion of trail funding overall

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    I'd rather it go to the clubs than to the government. Seems the gov doesn't know how to spend at times, at least the money stays local. And to answer racerx, yes, funding was way down. Sno-Eagles now have 3 new or newer groomers to keep up with the heavy traffic in ER. Remember, any donation is tax deductible,; just another way to help clubs out.

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    Snowmobiling is not a cheap sport by any means. If $15 is a problem, especially knowing that 100% of it goes to the club, it might be time to sell your equipment. I am not trying to be mean, just being honest and maybe this sport is not for you. It takes so many people volunteering their time, tractors, saws, gas, time away from their family's to do what all needs to be done. $15 bucks is a drop in the bucket as to what it takes to make it all happen. I hope you reconsider, but if not, the club will go on. For anyone else who feels this way, you really need to get more involved with the club, and get a better understanding of what it takes to make it all happen. I am not trying to lecture anyone, but just get involved even for a day of brushing, you may feel better about the $50 bucks it cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus View Post
    $50, from $35, a 42.8% increase. Talk about a bunch of greedy clowns, they just priced themselves right out of the trail pass business. I called and emailed my displeasure, but of course they don't GAS.
    I can go directly to the state and pay $60 to get 2, where it would cost me $70 to deal with the bureaucratic BS of join club, wait for processing, get membership confirmed, then file with DNR. Total idiots.
    The original idea was purchase your trail pass by joining a club getting a trail pass discount and be active in a club give the old guys some help. Maybe that worked for some clubs but the others are still old timers doing all the work few show up for meetings or have any interest in doing trail work. Imo most want to attain a trail pass painlessly push the minimum amount of buttons and have the trail pass show up in their mailbox. It will be interesting to see if other clubs follow suit or this is a SnoEagles shortfall. Seems to me an increase that steep needs explanation. What is the logic?

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    Really guys? Clubs never existed to give you a deal on a trail pass. The whole idea was to get people involved to do the real work in the sport. Guessing if you are complaining here, you don't understand it.

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    I bet if oil went up 42.8% people would still buy it. You might complain about it a little, but I bet you would still buy it. Same with gas which is already going up. I bet regardless of gas prices it will still be affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wirev View Post
    I'd rather it go to the clubs than to the government. Seems the gov doesn't know how to spend at times, at least the money stays local. And to answer racerx, yes, funding was way down. Sno-Eagles now have 3 new or newer groomers to keep up with the heavy traffic in ER. Remember, any donation is tax deductible,; just another way to help clubs out.
    Clubs are 501 (c)(4) therefore not charitable and not tax deductible as such. See AWSC site for info:

    https://www.awsc.org/Clubs/Tax-Information

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogiewheel View Post
    Really guys? Clubs never existed to give you a deal on a trail pass. The whole idea was to get people involved to do the real work in the sport. Guessing if you are complaining here, you don't understand it.
    If you think clubs want to be the administrators of getting trail passes to people that join just for a deal you are wrong. It is not worth the few dollars that we make. Again, keep in mind that everything in a club is volunteer, no paid positions. I would rather not even deal with it but our hope is that we get maybe one good guy that wants to help us out with trail work. 64 year old and up guys wear out eventually and can't pound stakes like we used to. There is a lot more to this tan trail passes.

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    What was the reasoning of the increase? Did they give specific info? As others mentioned, fundraising was almost non-existent last year. We cancelled our events last year. Maybe a need for new groomer(s)? Maybe volunteering is non-existent and now they have to pay people for certain tasks(grooming, brushing, etc).
    The AWSC membership did increase by $2 last year($10 to $12). Pretty minimal, but if your club did not increase dues, that's some money they have to eat. Clubs with 25 people, no biggie. But some of the larger clubs, have 250+ members. Our club is $25 per family, plus an extra $5 per sled. Most of our county clubs are standard $25 for membership($12 goes to AWSC, and the other goes into the club checking). We are in central WI, and most only have 1 groomer, so not a lot maintenance and bills compared to up north.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pclark View Post
    If you think clubs want to be the administrators of getting trail passes to people that join just for a deal you are wrong. It is not worth the few dollars that we make. Again, keep in mind that everything in a club is volunteer, no paid positions. I would rather not even deal with it but our hope is that we get maybe one good guy that wants to help us out with trail work. 64 year old and up guys wear out eventually and can't pound stakes like we used to. There is a lot more to this tan trail passes.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah....then why did they fight so hard with the AWSC to get the trail pass system in place, and the revenue associated with it? The process as at stands now is a joke. With or without the cost difference, I'm done screwing with the bureaucracy, I'll just get my passes from the state with one stop shopping. What they did with the club dues was totally predictable - club management getting greedy because they see their membership increasing, not realizing it's primarily due to discounted trail passes, not due to people clamoring to be in a club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katden4 View Post
    Snowmobiling is not a cheap sport by any means. If $15 is a problem, especially knowing that 100% of it goes to the club, it might be time to sell your equipment. I am not trying to be mean, just being honest and maybe this sport is not for you. It takes so many people volunteering their time, tractors, saws, gas, time away from their family's to do what all needs to be done. $15 bucks is a drop in the bucket as to what it takes to make it all happen. I hope you reconsider, but if not, the club will go on. For anyone else who feels this way, you really need to get more involved with the club, and get a better understanding of what it takes to make it all happen. I am not trying to lecture anyone, but just get involved even for a day of brushing, you may feel better about the $50 bucks it cost.
    Nice try. They nickel and dime a guy to death. It's about the time spent going two places to get a trail sticker. Totally annoying. Not joining clubs anymore - one stop shopping for this guy, regardless of cost. All they did was make the decision easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snobuilder View Post
    $100 would still be an incredible bargain due to the fact that most clubs still have good volunteers.
    But since membership was linked to a trail pass discount, that is what it is being used for by many. When club dues go up those free loaders won't see any benefit to joining any longer and it might result in an actual loss of revenue from that source. The only way that type of member sticks around is if trail pass cost go up at the same time.

    Good thing club dues are just a small portion of trail funding overall
    Yeah, you'll be 58 and broke too. Good luck in retirement with no net worth. LOL

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    all i can say is wow
    and lol
    15 bucks is a small tip

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    clubs do 95%of the work to make the trail system possible
    how could you not support them ??????

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    Yeah, you'll be 58 and broke too. Good luck in retirement with no net worth. LOL[/QUOTE]


    My net worth is just fine.
    I was one of the few that voiced opposition to the trail pass idea. To me it was easy to see that the new members it would attract .....on paper....were only there because it saved them a few bucks.

    You don't have to be rich to snowmobile, but being forced to scramble to get a stupid trail pass to ride a few times in marginal snow country is a PITA and is turning off the occasional opportunity rider as well as new riders.
    I was in favor of doubling reg. fees and calling it a day.

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    Ok so we figured out the issue here. We have found one person who complains about an additional $15 to ride trails that someone else puts in hours of time to provide, so that person can cross someone else’s land, because of the minuscule inconvenience of having to get a trail pass as well as trying to support the efforts of those who provide said trails.

    Think about what you are complaining about. And then tell us what kind of snowmobile you ride so we can all laugh at how much you spent on purchasing that sled that an additional $15 inconveniences you so much about.

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    I too am curious why snoeagles increased their membership fees by $15? That increase imo is a fair question. Last season was tuff on Eagle River sparse snow ,again imo ,lead to constant grooming of trails to have anything close to decent conditions. I stayed away did all my up north riding north of Watersmeet to find the best snow and those conditions were good enough for a week of fairly good riding forget Vilas just not enough snow for me. Did SnoEagles blow their budget and have a shortfall, did the local biz fall short with donations? To me all fair questions to ask of any club. People respond to logic and seems to me cirrus took the time to ask and says he got nothing in response. Imo he has a fair question that needs an answer or 2. He’s right he has a work around solution that’s easy enough to do that simplifies the trail pass procedure for less money.

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    I help the clubs any way I can, and don't regret a single minute of time, or dime out of my pocket. I actually enjoy being out in the woods brushing trails, or putting up signs. Many of the people who are there also don't even own snowmobiles anymore. They are there to help the community, and enjoy time with friends. Everyone is different, I hope you get the answers your looking for from the club. They should be able to explain the increase, but to me it really doesn't change my thoughts on being a club member.

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    I drive through Eagle River every weekend in the winter, I want to know why they groom 3 inches of snow? Lol.
    Lake Effect Snow, my three favorite words.

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    i never belonged to a club before the cost saving rule.
    i do toss money in the bucket along the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus View Post
    $50, from $35, a 42.8% increase. Talk about a bunch of greedy clowns, they just priced themselves right out of the trail pass business. I called and emailed my displeasure, but of course they don't GAS.
    I can go directly to the state and pay $60 to get 2, where it would cost me $70 to deal with the bureaucratic BS of join club, wait for processing, get membership confirmed, then file with DNR. Total idiots.
    I'm guessing they won't be missing you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylar View Post
    I drive through Eagle River every weekend in the winter, I want to know why they groom 3 inches of snow? Lol.
    Because they get paid by the miles groomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snobuilder View Post
    Because they get paid by the miles groomed.
    Yes but they far exceed maximum supplemental just like almost every northern WI club. The over grooming is basically out of their pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddhanna View Post
    Yes but they far exceed maximum supplemental just like almost every northern WI club. The over grooming is basically out of their pocket.
    + This! In a good year, the per mile doesn't stack up. It's on the clubs. Want good trails-------come and volunteer or be a groomer driver.
    There's always someone wanting something for nothing.

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    I shouldn't even do this buuuttttt.  Our club has had tremendous success with charitable gambling.  Most years we have to argue over having to spend money.  We built new digs last fall.  Not to shabby.  To bad it isn't located in NW Sconny....  Out winters have been iffy at best.  25 bucks a year to join.  https://forum.johndee.com/vbulletin/...141&stc=1" attachmentid="63141" alt="" id="vbattach_63141" class="previewthumb">https://forum.johndee.com/vbulletin/...142&stc=1" attachmentid="63142" alt="" id="vbattach_63142" class="previewthumb">
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    Show off! It is a very pretty building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slimcake View Post
    I shouldn't even do this buuuttttt.* Our club has had tremendous success with charitable gambling.* Most years we have to argue over having to spend money.* We built new digs last fall.* Not to shabby.* To bad it isn't located in NW Sconny....* Out winters have been iffy at best.* 25 bucks a year to join.**https://forum.johndee.com/vbulletin/...141&stc=1" attachmentid="63141" alt="" id="vbattach_63141" class="previewthumb">https://forum.johndee.com/vbulletin/...142&stc=1" attachmentid="63142" alt="" id="vbattach_63142" class="previewthumb">
    Did you guys use one of the big names or someone local?

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    Just an FYI

    SNO-EAGLES BRAT SALE

    Thursday, July 1st
    10AM - 3PM
    Trig's in Eagle River

    There will be no bake sale component this year due to Covid 19

    Proceeds from the brat sale will be applied to the groomer replacement fund. Trail groomers cost more than $200,000 each - the cost of which is not reimbursed by the state. We own three groomers and have an outstanding loan balance of approximately $160,000.

    Added note: Sno-Eagles groom an extra 28 miles that are not reimbursed by the state.

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    Thanks for update! I assumed groomer(s) had to deal with the increase.
    With a $15 increase, that's still only extra $6K based on 400 members. A lot more fundraising to go.
    I wish people would have all the facts before they bashed the club. The times we live in....

    A couple years ago a couple riders came into my local tavern. They heard I was part of the local club. They started bitching about trail conditions and the "good" money they spend on the club dues. I started laughing. I asked them what the going rate of diesel was? $3. I told them you pay $25 per year. $10 went towards AWSC and the rest towards our club. $15 will get you a couple gallons of diesel. You just helped us pay for a couple miles of grooming one time on our unfunded trail...!! Not including any other expenses! We take care of 70 miles of trails, but only 29 are funded.

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    Great explanation to those guys. Unless you are a member of a club, and I mean a real member who works and actually does things for the club you have no clue what is needed every year and how the work gets done by very few members. And as you mentioned the money from the state doesn't pay for everything, clubs who own their own groomers have to maintain and finance them just like vehicles, our groomers are older and constantly need to be maintained. We are lucky we have guys that donate their time to help maintain them. You have to love doing these things and there are only a few that you can count on to really help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wirev View Post
    Just an FYI



    SNO-EAGLES BRAT SALE



    Thursday, July 1st

    10AM - 3PM

    Trig's in Eagle River



    There will be no bake sale component this year due to Covid 19



    Proceeds from the brat sale will be applied to the groomer replacement fund. Trail groomers cost more than $200,000 each - the cost of which is not reimbursed by the state. We own three groomers and have an outstanding loan balance of approximately $160,000.



    Added note: Sno-Eagles groom an extra 28 miles that are not reimbursed by the state.
     

    how many brats is that?



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    I’m thinking they need to call Joey Chitwood

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    Lets see ....@ $1.00 per brat profit....if you could get 100 volunteers and each one could make 800 brats in a 8 hour day it would only have to be a 2 day brat fest to pay that puppy off.!

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